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Post #215,373 by boxley 7/18/05 1:37:05 PM Reply	point by point "we have an emperor now, dont want to trade it for a monarchy" emperor's have a vested interest in maintaining the empire, a monarchy only wants to maintain themselves "Right now, we have tax cuts for the rich" and we are taking in more tax revenue than before "corporate welfare," can you say Tyson foods or creating national parks over dirt that threatened your buddy the Sultan. 'raping of natural resources," people are natural resources too (see bosnia et al) "dependence on foreign oil" clintons refused to look for domestic oil increasing foreign dependence "involvement in a scam war" bombing aspirin factories ring a bell? enabling muslims to take over slavic lands? "entitlement programs that are teetering towards bankruptcy" by definition entitlement programs are teetering towards bankruptcy because they must be funded annually. Who takes credit for ending "welfare as we know it" twasnt bush and co "federal budget deficit in the trillions when we had a surplus when the guy took office" we had a surplus? Not in any way that normal people define surplus, we were in less of a deficit when old bill was in office, that I grant. "And you want to talk about chips on shoulders? Dubya's whole existence is to prove to Daddy and Mommy that he ain't no dumbass. The whole point to Iraq was to shove Saddam down Daddy's throat and say "How 'bout them apples, Paw! I did what YOU couldn't do! Uh Huh Uh Huh, look at my bad self!" no he faked evidence to get on with a war that was inevitable, the cost of containment vs the cost of invasion. The invasion went well but exit strategy and occupation suffered from extremely poor planning. Brer Bill would have done better because he would have relied on more traditional military methods. Difference is Bush is a squirrel Skank is a rabid squirrel thanx, bill Just call me Mr. Lynch \\ Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #215,378 by jb4 7/18/05 1:50:25 PM Reply	/me raises hand "corporate welfare," can you say Tyson foods or creating national parks over dirt that threatened your buddy the Sultan. "involvement in a scam war" bombing aspirin factories ring a bell? enabling muslims to take over slavic lands? OK, now I get it. This is race/religion thing with you. It all becomes clear.... (Oh, and PS...What Sultan is it that I/we are supposed to be buddies with?) jb4 shrub\ufffdbish (Am., from shrub* + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf.* BULLSHIT
Post #215,383 by boxley 7/18/05 1:58:39 PM Reply	brunei, specifically ending a contract for mining in utah that specifically would have impacted said Sultans income flow. Didnt you keep track? :-) for the record I have voted for dems in the past, Alabama governor for pres in point of fact :-) thanx, bill Just call me Mr. Lynch \\ Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #215,389 by jb4 7/18/05 2:25:16 PM Reply	Would that Alabama governor happen to be named Wallace? jb4 shrub\ufffdbish (Am., from shrub* + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf.* BULLSHIT
Post #215,394 by boxley 7/18/05 2:55:45 PM Reply	/me makes whistling sound while gazing elsewhere Just call me Mr. Lynch \\ Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #215,401 by CRConrad 7/18/05 3:06:25 PM Reply	Hardly any points. Why can't you STOP believing that drivel? BOxley's political "thoughts", direct from Rupert Murdoch's arse to Bill's mouth: "we have an emperor now, dont want to trade it for a monarchy" emperor's have a vested interest in maintaining the empire, a monarchy only wants to maintain themselves First: Words only end in apostrophe-s IN THE GENITIVE. And the genitive IS NOT THE SAME as plural. How FUCKING hard can that be to understand?!? I submit that all you people who regularly fuck up such a simple thing are JUST PLAIN STOOPID. And as such, you should of course shut the fuck up and realize that, stupid as you are, you are probably wrong whenever you disagree with anybody. Like you are now, Bill. Second: Where the fuck is your proof of that silly little thesis? I could -- in fact, I will! -- just as well spout my own little variation on it: "Monarchs have a vested interest in maintaining the monarchy; an imperial dynasty only wants to maintain themselves". There, the exact opposite of yours -- but with exactly as much proof as you supplied! So why, exactly, are we supposed to believe your version and not mine, again? 'raping of natural resources," people are natural resources too (see bosnia et al) Can't you FUCKING learn to write intelligibly?!? What the HELL is that gibber-de-gook supposed to mean??? (Oh, and it's "see bosnia etc". The rule is really rather simple: People, "et al"; anything else [i.e, things], "etc". Is it too fucking much to ask that you start posting in English?) "involvement in a scam war" bombing aspirin factories ring a bell? enabling muslims to take over slavic lands? If it's Sudan, Somalia, or whichever African country it was that your "aspirin factory" is referring to, then there ARE NO "slavic lands" there. If, OTOH, you're still talking about Bosnia (or have you moved on to Kosovo? Fuck knows, with your ultra-confused prose!), those muslims ARE SLAVIC muslims, you fucking nitwit! [link\|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode\|Christian R. Conrad] (I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.) Your lies are of Microsoftian Scale and boring to boot. Your 'depression' may be the closest you ever come to recognizing truth: you have no 'inferiority complex', you are inferior - and something inside you recognizes this. - [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=71575\|Ashton Brown]
Post #215,408 by boxley 7/18/05 3:33:03 PM Reply	gee, is Rupert your dad? must be, you look like him and show the same filial devotion as his other offspring "'raping of natural resources," people are natural resources too (see bosnia et al)" look up snide remark in your thesaurus fuckwad "those muslims ARE SLAVIC muslims" nice try but turks living in fucking albania are not slavic, any more than turks living in fucking hamberg are teutonic larn yer fucking history. thanx, bill Just call me Mr. Lynch \\ Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #215,435 by CRConrad 7/18/05 4:39:51 PM Reply	It matters if it is my Dad you're fellating,or someone else? Bill gibbers on: and show the same filial devotion as [Rupert Murdoch's] other offspring If I read more tabloids, I'd probably know WTF you're gibbering about. As it is, I neither know nor care. "'raping of natural resources," people are natural resources too (see bosnia et al)" look up snide remark in your thesaurus fuckwad Yeah, well, sarcasm usually works better if it's written coherently enough for the intended audience to understand at least some of it, ya frigging numbskull. "those muslims ARE SLAVIC muslims" nice try but turks living in fucking albania are not slavic, any more than turks living in fucking hamberg are teutonic larn yer fucking history. 1) Aha, so it wasn't Bosnia you were talking about, but... Uh, "albania"... Did you mean Kosovo? And HOW THE FUCK was any innocent reader of your previous braindead diatribes supposed to figger that out?!? Anybody bombed a lot of "aspirin factories" in Kosovo??? 2) It wasn't Albanians living in Albania that the Serbs were bombed by the West for attacking, but ethnic Albanians living in... Uhm, Kosovo -- the southern part of Serbia, yes -- and they weren't "conquering Slavic lands", because they'd already BEEN LIVING THERE FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS. Feh -- "larn yer fucking history", indeed! 3) "Turks"? "Turks"?!? The Skipetar are no more Turkish than you or I, AFAIK -- from all accounts, they're about as European as the Basque; i.e, quite a bit "MORE European" than you or I. 4) HambUrg, you fricking Anal Phabetic! [link\|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode\|Christian R. Conrad] (I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.) Your lies are of Microsoftian Scale and boring to boot. Your 'depression' may be the closest you ever come to recognizing truth: you have no 'inferiority complex', you are inferior - and something inside you recognizes this. - [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=71575\|Ashton Brown]
Post #215,459 by boxley 7/18/05 5:48:38 PM Reply	:-) yer slipping, does juanita broderick ring a bell? Just call me Mr. Lynch \\ Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #215,461 by CRConrad 7/18/05 5:55:11 PM Reply	Nope. Well, maybe, but none of mine anyway.
Post #215,437 by imqwerky 7/18/05 4:43:21 PM Reply	Rebuttal "emperor's have a vested interest in maintaining the empire, a monarchy only wants to maintain themselves" Hmmm...Napoleon seemed a little self-absorbed/self-serving to me. "we are taking in more tax revenue than before" Uh, yeah, from the lower and middle class. "can you say Tyson foods or creating national parks over dirt that threatened your buddy the Sultan." The Tyson case is not relevant. And The Sultan is not my buddy. That is merely a case of keeping your friends close, but your enemies closer. "raping of natural resources" Stick to the subject, Box. We are talking domestic natural resources here. See also below. "clintons refused to look for domestic oil increasing foreign dependence" How much was a barrel of crude during Clinton admin? Besides, he wasn't looking for oil, kind sir.... [The Clinton Administration has taken] action on: Successfully negotiated the Kyoto Protocol, which sets strong, realistic targets for reducing greenhouse gas emissions and establishes flexible, market-based mechanisms to achieve them as cost-effectively as possible. Extended the tax credits for wind and biomass energy production through 2001. * Set a goal of tripling our use of bioenergy and bioproducts by 2010. * Increased research funding to more than $1.7 billion in FY 2000 to provide a sound scientific understanding of both the human and natural forces that influence the Earth\ufffds climate system. * Issued new energy efficiency standards for home appliances that will save consumers money and reduce emissions of greenhouse gases. * Directed federal agencies to reduce energy use in buildings 35 percent by 2010, reducing annual greenhouse gas emissions by the equivalent of taking 1.7 million cars off the road and saving taxpayers over $750 million a year. "bombing aspirin factories ring a bell? enabling muslims to take over slavic lands?" Who gives a crap about an aspirin factory. Bush invaded a whole country on weaker evidence than Bill's on the above. And Bill paid them back for their trouble. Besides, how many Americans died....zip. part deux: "It is finally clear to most historians and pundits that 1992-5 was essentially a war of aggression pursued by the Serbs and the Bosnian Serbs upon the peaceful, sovereign, and multiethnic nation of Bosnia-Herzegovina, and one in which the Croats connived for territorial gain." From Wikipedia. Something had to be done and it was fully supported by the UN community. The war in Iraq, clearly, is not. "he {Bush}faked evidence to get on with a war that was inevitable, the cost of containment vs the cost of invasion. The invasion went well but exit strategy and occupation suffered from extremely poor planning. Brer Bill would have done better because he would have relied on more traditional military methods. HA! Shrub is an anencephalic squirrel, Hillary is a brainiac. Peace, my friend :) Amy "Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved body, but, rather to skid in sideways totally worn out shouting 'Heilige Sheisse, what a ride!'" .
Post #215,443 by ben_tilly 7/18/05 4:49:40 PM Reply	Correction for you We are actually taking in more money from the upper class than ever before. Their tax rate has gone down, but our current distorted economic system is diverting so much extra money their way that they are paying more dollars. If trickle-down worked this might be good news for the rest of us. But it never has and there is no evidence that it every will. That's the short version, for the extremely long version I highly recommend Wealth and Democracy. Cheers, Ben I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)

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