Post #214,016
7/8/05 12:09:37 PM
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London's Mayor speaks:
\ufffdThis was a cowardly attack, which has resulted in injury and loss of life. Our thoughts are with everyone who has been injured, or lost loved ones. I want to thank the emergency services for the way they have responded.
Following the al-Qaeda attacks on September 11 in America we conducted a series of exercises in London in order to be prepared for just such an attack. One of the exercises undertaken by the government, my office and the emergency and security services was based on the possibility of multiple explosions on the transport system during the Friday rush hour. The plan that came out of that exercise is being executed today, with remarkable efficiency and courage, and I praise those staff who are involved.
I\ufffdd like to thank Londoners for the calm way in which they have responded to this cowardly attack and echo the advice of the Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir Ian Blair - do everything possible to assist the police and take the advice of the police about getting home today.
I have no doubt whatsoever that this is a terrorist attack. We did hope in the first few minutes after hearing about the events on the Underground that it might simply be a maintenance tragedy. That was not the case. I have been able to stay in touch through the very excellent communications that were established for the eventuality that I might be out of the city at the time of a terrorist attack and they have worked with remarkable effectiveness. I will be in continual contact until I am back in London.
I want to say one thing specifically to the world today. This was not a terrorist attack against the mighty and the powerful. It was not aimed at Presidents or Prime Ministers. It was aimed at ordinary, working-class Londoners, black and white, Muslim and Christian, Hindu and Jew, young and old. It was an indiscriminate attempt to slaughter, irrespective of any considerations for age, for class, for religion, or whatever.
That isn\ufffdt an ideology, it isn\ufffdt even a perverted faith - it is just an indiscriminate attempt at mass murder and we know what the objective is. They seek to divide Londoners. They seek to turn Londoners against each other. I said yesterday to the International Olympic Committee, that the city of London is the greatest in the world, because everybody lives side by side in harmony. Londoners will not be divided by this cowardly attack. They will stand together in solidarity alongside those who have been injured and those who have been bereaved and that is why I\ufffdm proud to be the mayor of that city.
Finally, I wish to speak directly to those who came to London today to take life.
I know that you personally do not fear giving up your own life in order to take others - that is why you are so dangerous. But I know you fear that you may fail in your long-term objective to destroy our free society and I can show you why you will fail.
In the days that follow look at our airports, look at our sea ports and look at our railway stations and, even after your cowardly attack, you will see that people from the rest of Britain, people from around the world will arrive in London to become Londoners and to fulfil their dreams and achieve their potential.
They choose to come to London, as so many have come before because they come to be free, they come to live the life they choose, they come to be able to be themselves. They flee you because you tell them how they should live. They don\ufffdt want that and nothing you do, however many of us you kill, will stop that flight to our city where freedom is strong and where people can live in harmony with one another. Whatever you do, however many you kill, you will fail.\ufffd [link|http://news.ft.com/cms/s/dcdfe116-ef08-11d9-8b10-00000e2511c8,dwp_uuid=46d6f5a8-d260-11d8-b661-00000e2511c8.html| Source ]
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Post #214,041
7/8/05 1:55:25 PM
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Amen.
Brit leaders can turn a phrase in a way that our Yankee so-called "leaders" couldn't even conceive.
jb4 shrub\ufffdbish (Am., from shrub + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf. BULLSHIT
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Post #214,066
7/8/05 4:44:26 PM
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I heard this and I thought, wow! He gets it.
it is just an indiscriminate attempt at mass murder
Right on the button. This was an horrific crime and the low born criminal filth that is responsible for it should be hunted down, tried, convicted and sentenced to death. Just as 9/11 was a crime. It has bothered me for some time that we throw this "War" term around so freely...
bcnu, Mikem
It would seem, therefore, that the three human impulses embodied in religion are fear, conceit, and hatred. The purpose of religion, one might say, is to give an air of respectibility to these passions. -- Bertrand Russell
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Post #214,069
7/8/05 5:19:50 PM
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Neither fish nor fowl, crime nor war - it is something else
And we are ill equipped to deal with it.
Wars are large scale acts of aggression carried out by nation states against other nation states. In war, you know who your attackers are, where they live, and what they want. The attackers generally attack with discrimination to achieve strategic advantage. Because the boundaries of the conflict are along national borders, wars are best fought by governments.
Crimes are acts by individuals against other individuals. They are seldom coordinated, they are localized, and damage is limited to a few individuals or perhaps a corporation. The attackers generally attack with discrimination to achieve personal gain. All participants in crimes typically share a locality of influence making them amenable to efforts of local authorities.
Terror is neither. It is large scale acts of agression carried out against individuals indiscriminately, by organizations that are dispersed and do not recognize geographic or national boundaries. As the attackers are not aligned with any particular geography or physical infrastructure, they are not well suited to techniqies commonly employed either in war, or in law enforcement.
The bottom line is we need to change the game plan and find out who and why, then begin fighting them with the same kinds of weapons they use to build support. This is propaganda, long standing resentments, victim-hood, religion and other superstitions. The only sure way to end terrorism is through peace, love, and understanding of the terrorist's personal world view.
Sadly, a bunch of jack-booted, no-compromise, black and white neocons will never succeed at such an enterprise. Instead, they will continue their death grip on ineffective but self-righteous feel-good policies (Cuban embargo anyone?) right into the ground dragging us all down with them.
"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain
"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein
"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
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Post #214,085
7/8/05 9:01:13 PM
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I don't think that'll work.
"The only sure way to end terrorism is through peace, love, and understanding of the terrorist's personal world view" will be interpreted as a sign of weakness.
This will continue to escallate until WMDs are used and the dead number in the millions - then there will be a slaughter of Islam and the dead will number in the hundreds of millions.
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Post #214,086
7/8/05 9:03:07 PM
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You're depressing me.
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
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Post #214,253
7/11/05 3:05:13 PM
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Well, that's backwards.
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Post #214,087
7/8/05 9:14:55 PM
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Appears to be working somewhat in Yemen
they gather up the fuckwits, sit them in front of a real imam who clearly explains that they are being taught fuckwittery. The guys go "whoops sorry!" and appear to give up their ways. No, the clear method is to destroy maddrassa's wahibiism either with or without the saudi royals assistance and then get stuck in on the shiites. thanx, bill
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