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Post #211,031
by imric
6/12/05 4:21:09 PM
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New How about your statements... and conclusion.
Christians that don't behave as fundies do lack conviction? How is THAT inconsistent with my post?

'Hide behind a liberal label'? Where do you get THAT? Are you now implying that there is some kind of conflict between Christian and Liberal? I see none. Unless you are a neocon fundie; a minority group among those that call themselves Christian.

And if I misinterpreted "I have yet to see a single Christian bumper sticker proclaiming against the OT "Christians" who are hijacking your religion right out from under you. Not a single one. Ever." after "Daily I engage in conversations with people very vocal about their opposition to our "Rapturing Out" administration." (included with the paragraph re: bumper stickers), well, I think that my interpretation was fair, even if it was incorrect.

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Post #211,032
by Andrew Grygus
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6/12/05 4:41:56 PM
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New There is no fundamental conflict . . . .
. . between Christianity and Liberalism - however, the "Religious Right" has re-defined "Christian" and "Liberal" as diametrically opposed and found this a very effective mobilizer of less thoughtful voters. It has served well enough to seize an extrordinary control of the U.S. government.

This definition is far more vulnerable questioned from a Christian context than from a Liberal context from which questioning only helps build a confrontational atmosphere. Confrontation gives rabble rousers the upper hand, so as long as Christians fail to approach the problem from a Christian context the Fundies will have their way and their way of defining "Christian".
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     THEM - In their own words. - (tuberculosis) - (52) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:28:23 AM EDT
         first picture - (boxley) - (1) - June 9, 2005, 11:20:21 PM EDT
             ask those who invite her to speak - (tuberculosis) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:28:40 AM EDT
         And through such as these the Devil doth define . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (1) - June 10, 2005, 12:35:05 AM EDT
             Amen. -NT - (mmoffitt) - June 10, 2005, 09:45:26 AM EDT
         Yabut, look at the bwight side: - (Ashton) - June 10, 2005, 03:57:09 AM EDT
         Hypocrisy or double-think? - (warmachine) - (2) - June 10, 2005, 05:35:08 AM EDT
             Not doublethink, just non-think! - (jb4) - June 10, 2005, 11:30:33 AM EDT
             Look up, 'Promisekeepers' re Biblebelt shibboleths.. -NT - (Ashton) - June 10, 2005, 09:14:57 PM EDT
         most revealing - (rcareaga) - (43) - June 10, 2005, 02:41:55 PM EDT
             what is most interesting(edited to reflect Ashton's umbrage) - (boxley) - (1) - June 10, 2005, 10:59:55 PM EDT
                 Please.. spare a premeditated castration of the idea 'fact' -NT - (Ashton) - June 10, 2005, 09:22:01 PM EDT
             alarming to be sure - (tuberculosis) - (40) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:31:35 AM EDT
                 Ain't gonna work - (warmachine) - June 11, 2005, 06:33:58 AM EDT
                 take a priest out for dinner (not McDonalds no distractions) - (boxley) - (1) - June 11, 2005, 08:37:11 AM EDT
                     Not interested in real ones - want to unmask pretenders - (tuberculosis) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:34:02 AM EDT
                 Any of them. - (imric) - (36) - June 11, 2005, 09:49:34 AM EDT
                     Umm - if 'perception is Everything' (?) - (Ashton) - (35) - June 12, 2005, 05:04:11 AM EDT
                         I wouldn't normally support Aston on this.... - (Simon_Jester) - June 12, 2005, 08:30:13 AM EDT
                         Horsecrap. - (imric) - (33) - June 12, 2005, 11:01:14 AM EDT
                             Don't hang yourself quite yet - (broomberg) - (13) - June 12, 2005, 12:30:30 PM EDT
                                 Logical flaw - (warmachine) - (4) - June 12, 2005, 02:07:56 PM EDT
                                     Not so - (broomberg) - (3) - June 12, 2005, 03:07:40 PM EDT
                                         Only applies to just over 20% of the US - (warmachine) - (2) - June 12, 2005, 03:49:43 PM EDT
                                             Nit: 64% of voting age population voted in 2004. 8kB .img - (Another Scott) - (1) - June 12, 2005, 04:06:34 PM EDT
                                                 In that case, 1 absentee per Bush voter. Just beat the UK. -NT - (warmachine) - June 12, 2005, 04:14:18 PM EDT
                                 Then there are those of us who embrace absurdity - (ChrisR) - (7) - June 12, 2005, 05:55:16 PM EDT
                                     +10 for clarity -NT - (boxley) - June 12, 2005, 06:22:38 PM EDT
                                     Who said that? - (broomberg) - (5) - June 12, 2005, 08:40:26 PM EDT
                                         Self-interest overrides all - (ChrisR) - (4) - June 12, 2005, 10:01:03 PM EDT
                                             BTW. I believe in Santa Claus!!! - (ChrisR) - June 12, 2005, 10:14:36 PM EDT
                                             I think it's more complex than self-interest. - (Another Scott) - (2) - June 12, 2005, 11:04:45 PM EDT
                                                 A good evaluation. - (Andrew Grygus) - (1) - June 13, 2005, 01:13:05 AM EDT
                                                     Damn good for brief. One complementary facet - - (Ashton) - June 13, 2005, 09:02:33 PM EDT
                             not quite the same, is it? - (rcareaga) - (5) - June 12, 2005, 02:14:55 PM EDT
                                 Doesn't matter, does it. - (imric) - (1) - June 12, 2005, 04:00:07 PM EDT
                                     RE: Bigmouths - (tuberculosis) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:35:38 AM EDT
                                 oooh, challenges :-) - (boxley) - (2) - June 12, 2005, 03:56:55 PM EDT
                                     move to strike as non-responsive - (rcareaga) - (1) - June 12, 2005, 04:13:34 PM EDT
                                         liberals do not define the term, rightwingers do - (boxley) - June 12, 2005, 04:17:31 PM EDT
                             I see every day . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (9) - June 12, 2005, 02:18:44 PM EDT
                                 And so real life - (bepatient) - (1) - June 12, 2005, 02:59:41 PM EDT
                                     I wouldn't know . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - June 12, 2005, 03:25:35 PM EDT
                                 ROFL I'm sure... - (imric) - (5) - June 12, 2005, 03:50:14 PM EDT
                                     Perhaps you should read what's written . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (2) - June 12, 2005, 04:05:36 PM EDT
                                         How about your statements... and conclusion. - (imric) - (1) - June 12, 2005, 04:21:09 PM EDT
                                             There is no fundamental conflict . . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - June 12, 2005, 04:41:56 PM EDT
                                     hmm, wonder if these bumber stickers would sell - (boxley) - (1) - June 12, 2005, 04:06:47 PM EDT
                                         "God is a Liberal" -NT - (admin) - June 12, 2005, 08:24:43 PM EDT
                                 I've seen at least one - (ben_tilly) - June 13, 2005, 08:41:10 AM EDT
                             Who are you calling hypocrites? - (ben_tilly) - (2) - June 12, 2005, 02:45:14 PM EDT
                                 Nope - you're good when it comes to scope/categories. - (imric) - (1) - June 12, 2005, 03:54:13 PM EDT
                                     Just checking, thanks -NT - (ben_tilly) - June 13, 2005, 08:37:28 AM EDT

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