Which one do you want?

Post #21,032 by bepatient 12/11/01 3:35:08 PM Reply	Which one do you want? You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #21,034 by drewk 12/11/01 3:46:16 PM 12/11/01 3:52:04 PM Reply	Here's what I need Need: VI Apache PHP Postgres PL/pgSQL Must tolerate low RAM. Things I just assume it'll have: Perl GCC Distro-appropriate system tools Gnome OR KDE (I can live with either, though smaller footprint and resources is a plus on this machine) Extras: MySQL Python (might as well check it out) Glade or other devel tools I know some of that is in the Debian non-free, some of it might not be in the "official" distros at all. Is there a convenient way to check if a distro has various packages? We have to fight the terrorists as if there were no rules and preserve our open society as if there were no terrorists. -- [link\|http://www.nytimes.com/2001/04/05/opinion/BIO-FRIEDMAN.html\|Thomas Friedman] Edited by drewk Dec. 11, 2001, 03:52:04 PM EST Expand All History
Post #21,040 by Another Scott 12/11/01 3:56:27 PM Reply	Maybe distrowatch.com would help you. It seems to be dedicated to comparing Linux distributions. Last updated today. [link\|http://www.distrowatch.com/major.htm\|[link\|http://www.distrowatch.com/major.htm\|http://www.distrowatch.com/major.htm]] is a big table comparing the "major" distributions. Nav4.x doesn't like it (no surprise), but Mozilla 0.9.4 displays it properly. Cheers, Scott.
Post #21,045 by drewk 12/11/01 4:12:36 PM Reply	So much for Suse No PHP. No Postgres. No MySQL. No SSL. Oh, but it has Pythin. But no Zope. Tell me again how you recommended this one, Scott? (Not you, AnotherScott, AdminScott.) We have to fight the terrorists as if there were no rules and preserve our open society as if there were no terrorists. -- [link\|http://www.nytimes.com/2001/04/05/opinion/BIO-FRIEDMAN.html\|Thomas Friedman]
Post #21,063 by admin 12/11/01 5:18:15 PM Reply	Uh, they're wrong. Completely. [sanderso@bd00402:~]$ sudo rpm -q -a \| grep php mod_php4-core-4.0.4pl1-90 mod_php4-4.0.4pl1-90 phplib-7.2c-45 phpdoc-4.0.3-38 [sanderso@bd00402:~]$ sudo rpm -q -a \| grep -i ssl openssl-0.9.6a-35 docbook-dsssl-stylesheets-1.64-19 openssl-devel-0.9.6a-35 I don't have them installed, but the distro comes with zope 2.3.1, mysql 3.23.37 and postgres 7.0.3. This is distro version 7.2, mind you, so 7.3 will have updated versions. There is NO other distribution that comes with as much software as SuSE. 7.2 has 7 CDs and a DVD (for the source code). Regards, -scott anderson
Post #21,066 by drewk 12/11/01 5:22:55 PM Reply	That's not just a little wrong, either That's badly, badly out of date. If anyone else is making decisions based on that ... We have to fight the terrorists as if there were no rules and preserve our open society as if there were no terrorists. -- [link\|http://www.nytimes.com/2001/04/05/opinion/BIO-FRIEDMAN.html\|Thomas Friedman]
Post #21,065 by Another Scott 12/11/01 5:21:51 PM Reply	Looks like you want the Professional version. [link\|http://www.suse.com/en/products/suse_linux/i386/packages_professional/index.html\|Here's] a list of packages in the Pro version. Includes PHP, Postgres, MySQL and sslwrap (close enough?). Maybe you'll need to check for other versions from the big distros as well. I guess distrowatch only compares the "personal" versions.... Hmm. They do have a [link\|http://www.distrowatch.com/server.htm\|server] version comparison, but little data is in the table. HTH. Cheers, Scott. (I see Scott's given more data as well.)
Post #21,044 by scoenye 12/11/01 4:07:00 PM Reply	RedHat's GCC GCC 2.96 is a dead-end development snapshot taken on the way to GCC 3.0. There are a number of things out there it doesn't like. I couldn't get XFree86 4.1.0 to compile properly with it. (2.91.66 is also included to compile kernels, but it takes some rewiring to use it as the default compiler)
Post #21,047 by pwhysall 12/11/01 4:26:33 PM Reply	Re: RedHat's GCC Eh? I run 7.2 here and am talking to you direct from my own home-brewed XFree86 4.1.0, compiled with 2.96... GCC is in a state of flux right now. GCC 3.0 won't compile a kernel right. Earlier than 2.96 have borked C++. 2.96 is a snapshot. Go figure. Peter Shill For Hire [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal]
Post #21,199 by scoenye 12/12/01 3:19:34 PM Reply	Dunno what I did wrong then ... I'm usually pretty good at following compile instructions. I didn't specify any funny options either. GCC 2.96 died halfway through (can't recall the exact spot anymore) signalling an error in the code. I couldn't see anything wrong in the code or in the include file tree. I downloaded GCC 3.0 after that and it compiled the same XFree86 source without errors.
Post #21,051 by bepatient 12/11/01 4:50:01 PM Reply	Pick one...then let me know. It sounds like RH 7.2...though Mdk has Zope. You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #21,052 by drewk 12/11/01 4:55:45 PM Reply	That's what I had just about decided Mandrake also has CUPS, Evolution and Webmin. It looks like Mandrake is a winner. We have to fight the terrorists as if there were no rules and preserve our open society as if there were no terrorists. -- [link\|http://www.nytimes.com/2001/04/05/opinion/BIO-FRIEDMAN.html\|Thomas Friedman]
Post #21,054 by pwhysall 12/11/01 5:01:54 PM Reply	Mandrake is EVIL I'm hearing reports from a couple of guys I know that MDK 8.1 is waaay buggy, with "odd things" happening; printing Just Not Working anymore and stuff. I don't like MDK's installer, either - the "Linux By The Megabyte" method is just too surreal for me :) Peter Shill For Hire [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal]
Post #21,055 by drewk 12/11/01 5:06:17 PM Reply	Aaaaarrrggghhh!!!! The Sequel Now why do you people have to go do things like this. It's almost enough to make me want something nice and simple like Windows. Hmmpphh. Heh. Heh-heh. BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Sorry. I tried to do that with a straight face. Couldn't quite pull it off. We have to fight the terrorists as if there were no rules and preserve our open society as if there were no terrorists. -- [link\|http://www.nytimes.com/2001/04/05/opinion/BIO-FRIEDMAN.html\|Thomas Friedman]
Post #21,059 by pwhysall 12/11/01 5:14:51 PM Reply	The Wonder Of Linux is twofold. One, you have all this choice. Two, no matter what you choose, it's The Wrong Thing. Enjoy! Peter Shill For Hire [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal]
Post #21,072 by Steve Lowe 12/11/01 5:36:07 PM Reply	heh. It's called CHOICE :-) I've got RH7.2 on my laptop and my wife's machine, both dual boot (I do like GRUB, seems much more reliable than LILO). Both installed and ran fine, both built new kernels, both have compiled anything I've thrown at them (not much, admittedly) You know, anything you want that may not be in a distro is rather easily obtained and installed... I do want to give SuSE a whirl one of these days though. ----- Steve
Post #21,076 by Ashton 12/11/01 5:44:29 PM Reply	Cackle.. glorp. This multiple-choice er variety thing is a nice idea.. Like Goodness. But what we Really want is: each distro has Everything and installs the same and includes a customized audio tape which walks us from the package to the grave, narrated by Tom Hanks in folksy mode.. with 3 stages from infant through mediocre.. on to presumptuous KnowItAll. (Opt. voice: Valley Gurrl-speak + tunes for every mood.) (Well, I do.) :-\ufffd {sheesh} I think I'll end up with the one with the best $&#%^ Printed Documentation, granularity from boulder to chick-pea and yes: GUI install with X- finding my &^$#& video card and Liking It. OR: Swing LILO Sweet Chariot.. comin fer to carry me /Home...* Ashton the Slothful Complexity is Everything. When you can simplify that, you've got it made. (like Sincerity)
Post #21,077 by pwhysall 12/11/01 5:50:52 PM Reply	Re: Cackle.. glorp. {sheesh} I think I'll end up with the one with the best $&#%^ Printed Documentation, granularity from boulder to chick-pea and yes: GUI install with X- finding my &^$#& video card and Liking It. You need to buy a boxed copy of Red Hat or SuSE, then. Both have excellent printed manuals. Peter* Shill For Hire [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal]
Post #21,080 by admin 12/11/01 6:16:21 PM Reply	Yeap. First printed documentation I've actually found to be useful. Regards, -scott anderson
Post #21,081 by Ashton 12/11/01 6:23:51 PM Reply	Thanx - leaning that way from 6.1 SuSE .docs I have which I've been using to crawl up to speed. From what you all say lately, latest of RH, Debian, SuSE, Mandrake are indeed damn near idiot-proof unless one has rilly weird h/ware. (I gave up on even messing with the 486s for all obv. reasons - not least of which - driver hunts) Although the SuSE 6.1 manual walks thru a command-line install (useful ref. later on) the book layout, Index! I find intelligible and er logical.. such a refreshing change from menu-nonintuitive AND condescending. My first choice - whether stand-alone or dual-boot, when I nab another cheapo eMachine. WTF in for a penny.. Cheers, Ashton
Post #21,056 by bepatient 12/11/01 5:09:15 PM Reply	Well... ...I didn't have any issues with the installer. Printing seems to work over the network. I've not tried directly from the machine..since I don't need to. I've had some wierd goings on with Gnome...otherwise its been an ok experience. That being said...however, the next machine is still getting RH 7.2...but not because I'm unhappy with Mdk as much as I want to see what 7.2 offers as an alternative. I might even try debian...just need a couple of hard drives. You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #21,208 by scoenye 12/12/01 3:48:23 PM Reply	Haven't noticed any strange things yet Just finished two fresh installs and one upgrade/cleanup of a Frankendrake 8.0 installation. Printing works to my Canon BJC-3000 on lp0 and to various HPs hooked up through SMB shares. I do have a glitch printing to Axis LAN ports, but this is the first time I tried using their reverse telnet protocol, so I can't pin that one on Mandrake yet. Other than that, it picked up the three different network cards (2 x 3Com, 1 Intel EtherPro 100 which causes NT4 to BSOD), and video chips (Voodoo 3, Intel 810, Cirrus GD5446) first time. But it is porky. You're right there...
Post #21,064 by admin 12/11/01 5:19:50 PM Reply	All of those come in SuSE too. I'm serious. If you want the widest selection of software in the distro, SuSE cannot be beaten. Regards, -scott anderson
Post #21,071 by drewk 12/11/01 5:30:48 PM Reply	Okay, I'm sold It's the only one of the ones I was considering that I haven't already used, so I might as well give it a go. Seven CD's? That's a lot of stuff. The hard part will be deciding what to put in the tiny little partition I've got for it. We have to fight the terrorists as if there were no rules and preserve our open society as if there were no terrorists. -- [link\|http://www.nytimes.com/2001/04/05/opinion/BIO-FRIEDMAN.html\|Thomas Friedman]
Post #21,122 by tonytib 12/11/01 11:33:07 PM Reply	That's why there's a DVD -- but I'm also happy with SuSE 7.2 although, given how much is there, the hardcopy documentation is still skimpy...but still very useful. Tony
Post #21,250 by slugbug 12/12/01 9:14:00 PM Reply	Agree! Scott, I run SuSE 7.3 on a few Intel boxes here and it's great! Also, very nice on my SPARC boxes. But, I will give Debian a try after my workload lightens up a bit. -Mags

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