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New Cheapness of CD/RWs
Last 2 I bought, over ~ 5 month span - were $90 for first, 50 for last, in July. Now that is after the accursed rebate scam which forces you to keep all paperwork and put a stick-on on fridge, to make sure your check does come. PITA and smarmy as a M$ press release. But *cheap*.

Anyway the Pacific Digital 8x8x32 thus far does what it says, no sweat with Roxio 5.0 and, it's past infant mortality. Incremental 'big floppy' mode: reeel handy. Backup entire MAIL folder with not even perspiration. Why be selective at 16\ufffd/700 MB?

FWIW


Ashton
New What's the shelf-life of hard disks?
My backup requirements are for about 60gig, most of which isn't going to change over time. Music files. At the moment I'm tightrope walking without a net, ie my data isn't exactly backed up. Should I need to recover it, it just means a revisit to all my CDs and a massive re-rip and re-encode option.

(I guess shold the worst happen it would give me the opportunity to re-encode all the ones I did using Blade many years ago...)

Anyway, I think in this case the cheapest backup method is buying a 60 gig hard drive, copying everything over to it, and sticking it in a safe place somewhere. I don't have any detail on how modern hard drives cope with looong periods of inactivity, but it's sounding like an alright backup system to me. Not to mention very fast, and very easy. Even if a shelved HD only lasts a few years, how much is 60 gig of storage going to cost in five years time?

So, how dumb is it? Sure, I haven't given it a lot of thought, but the answer so far seems to be 'not very'.

Of course, I may be missing something.
On and on and on and on,
and on and on and on goes John.
New Sounds sane to me.
I've spent some years around an odd assortment of mechanisms. But not an expert on the exact "aging points" of quiescent HDs. There aren't many big electrolytic capacitors in there, just a few small - and maybe a few Tantalum teardrops still. The prolly pretty fancy lubricants are within a filtered clean environment.

Given experience with old and new test eq., electronics - my guess is that it would be well to fire up such a HD periodically, annually anyway; more often if EZ and you're paranoid. This would redistribute the motor, bearing lube and reform caps. Against this is: most failures occur on start-up/shutdown. But leaving it years? not good I think.

I always use SpinRite on any new HD before trusting it; it's easy, thorough and - you get a free fresh rewrite of the magnetic domains for every bit = including the lo-level format. I've never investigated the physics of the effects of earth magnetic field (with numbers) vs. the B/H curve of the latest crop of coatings; so it's only hearsay for me that - over time this phenom aids in the 'bleeding' of the local N-S poles, blurring that difference which the read-head must discern. (Worse for certain bit patterns)

Running SR each year or so - would certainly give the heads a flying workout.. Gets it up to equilibrium temp = good. If no SR? Hell just defrag instead, tho it won't need it. I'd keep it in a zip-plastic bag, maybe with a small desiccant pouch, just for the hell of it. Dunno what kinda fungi dwell in the wilds of Oz but - I saw Walkabout! :=\ufffd

Anyway the price is right - we're accustomed to thinking that a random access device is er overkill for such purpose. It seems that Moore's Law has made it so cheap we can forget that one (!) HD certainly appeals to my own keen sense of laziness about massaging such stuff.


HTH,

Ashton
New Being on the other side of the world and all...
I'd best store it upside down :)

Walkabout - that was the one where that rude gentleman sacrified a VW Beetle (and himself) wasn't it? Still haven't seen more than the first 20 minutes of it. (One of these days, etc, etc)

I guess the other approach I could have to backing up is to mini-Napsterise it. Ok, Distribute is the word I'm looking for. Store a bit of the collection on each of the PCs around the place, so if one does go titsup.com, at least I'll only have lost a chunk of the collection. The single-drive-on-a-shelf is much more environmentally sound, though.

On and on and on and on,
and on and on and on goes John.
New The DeSitter method
That is what Desitter wanted to do with his desktop system, use a second hard drive to copy the data files over to, and make backups on.

IDE hard drives are so cheap these days you can buy a 60G EIDE hard drive for under $150 at most consumer electronic stores. Cheaper than most tape drives.
     Looking to buy a CD-R or something for backups. - (marlowe) - (23)
         Sounds like you need a backpack CD-R - (Silverlock)
         Just ordered one for my dad. - (Another Scott)
         Flash: backups story, tape at 11 - (kmself) - (20)
             I've got a bad attitude against tape. - (marlowe) - (10)
                 Internals are really cheap. - (Another Scott)
                 That's not SCSI. DAT / DDS - (kmself)
                 DDS will live forever :-) - (pwhysall)
                 Cheapness of CD/RWs - (Ashton) - (4)
                     What's the shelf-life of hard disks? - (Meerkat) - (3)
                         Sounds sane to me. - (Ashton) - (1)
                             Being on the other side of the world and all... - (Meerkat)
                         The DeSitter method - (nking)
                 Philips CD-RW - (scoenye) - (1)
                     If you want a good CD-RW... - (inthane-chan)
             Interesting. - (static) - (8)
                 My impression is avoid OnStream, but others may know more - (tonytib) - (5)
                     AIT is really expensive. - (static)
                     OT: No good info, only responding - (broomberg) - (3)
                         BTW, did you see that Exabyte bought Ecrix? - (tonytib) - (2)
                             So, the question now is: - (Andrew Grygus) - (1)
                                 Well, Exabyte has already added Ecrix products to their site - (tonytib)
                 OnStream has real problems. - (Andrew Grygus) - (1)
                     Thanks. - (static)

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