In 1974 it snowed in mid-July at Tioga Pass, California.

Post #20,960 by a6l6e6x 12/10/01 10:21:31 PM Reply	In 1974 it snowed in mid-July at Tioga Pass, California. It's in the Sierra-Nevada mountains and about 9600 feet or 2900 meters (metres) above sea level. I happened to be driving a car and pulling a travel trailer (caravan) heading East. Earlier on the same day, I drove through central California and the outdoor temperature was 108 degrees F (~42 degrees C). And you wonder why Ashton is the way he is. :) Alex Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction. -- Blaise Pascal (1623-1662)
Post #20,978 by kmself 12/11/01 1:28:42 AM Reply	Tioga Pass: 9945 ft (3013 m) One of my favorite places on this blue marble. It's the highest east/west highway pass over the Sierra Nevada. I've climbed Mt. Dana, immediately south (13,053 ft) about a half-dozen times, it's one of the easier high-Sierra summits around, with an absolutely spectacular view. I've also been rained, snowed, and hailed on while doing so (but have never had the buzzing hair experience, Gott Sie Danke!). `-- Karsten M. Self [link\|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com\|kmself@ix.netcom.com] What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?`
Post #21,001 by a6l6e6x 12/11/01 10:17:12 AM Reply	Re: Tioga Pass: 9945 ft (3013 m) Well I did not mean to short change it's height. Some Park brochure says it's [link\|http://www.fresnobee.com/man/parks/yose_tioga.html#feet\|9991 feet]. YMMV (or is that fotage :)). Besides, Milner Pass in Rcky Mountain National Park is [link\|http://www.cronancomputer.com/rmnp/milner_pass.html\|10,758 feet]. The car having a fraction of it's power going over Tioga is quite noticeable. The drive down to Mono Lake is something else. Alex Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction. -- Blaise Pascal (1623-1662)
Post #21,116 by kmself 12/11/01 11:00:12 PM Reply	Passes and pickup lines I love the mountains. Hit a few memorable passes on the trip, with Independence pass (12,093', phenomenal views in all directions), Monarch (11,312'), North (10,149'), Weston (11,900'), Kebler (9,980'), and Red Mountain (11,008' -- at midnight, in a blinding thunderstorm). My cross country trip is somewhat comical -- six days from Menlo Park to Badlands, SD. Then one day to Chicago. That's about even distance (as the crow flies) on either side, though I meanded a bit on the western half. Again, from Chicago to Peublo I pretty much drove straight, bat-out-of-hell, lines. Hitting Colorado I ricoched around like a tumbling shot, exiting low and south through Mesa Verde. Colorado is strongly recommended. `-- Karsten M. Self [link\|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com\|kmself@ix.netcom.com] What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?`
Post #21,118 by Steve Lowe 12/11/01 11:14:42 PM Reply	Re: Passes and pickup lines Red Mountain pass is incredible. I've taken the same route, coming from the south, on a motorcycle. From Durango, over Red Mountain into Ouray was one of the most breathtaking sights I've seen in my life. Monarch Pass during a blizzard in a '76 Chevette is an experience I don't think I'd want to repeat. Found out later they had closed the pass while we were on it. Last July, I took my cousin and his wife to Loveland Pass, an hour west of Denver. Was in the 90's here in town, and white-out conditions on top, temp in the 20's. Altitude is 11,992 ft. And yes, Colorado is recommended. I'll not be leaving, at least willingly :) ----- Steve
Post #21,754 by kmself 12/17/01 5:21:04 PM Reply	Ouray Been there, haven't seen it yet. That was the tail of a day that started at Leadville and involved some serious stretches of dirt (first choice of road was washed out). Got to Montrose at sunset, the rest of the trip was in the dark. I had no idea of what the location or situation of the town was until I was driving out. The road is narrow and twisting, signed 15-25 MPH. Looking over my shoulder coming around a turn, I realized I wasn't climbing a grade so much as going straight up the canyon wall. The town is tucked into the end of the canyon, with the canyon walls rising straight up, capturing the city glow, which I could make out. This was when I realized that the edge of the road was a sheer drop-off.... Found some [link\|http://www.narrowgauge.org/ncmap/excursion7_ouray_photo_gallery.html\|good images] through Google. `-- Karsten M. Self [link\|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com\|kmself@ix.netcom.com] What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?`
Post #21,148 by a6l6e6x 12/12/01 10:08:05 AM Reply	I love the mountains too. I remember Monarch Pass on way to [link\|http://www.gorp.com/gorp/resource/us_nm/co_black.htm\|Black Canyon] on the Gunnison National Park. Half mile shear drop to the river is quite impressive, more so than the mile drop of the Grand Canyon which cascades. Alex Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction. -- Blaise Pascal (1623-1662)
Post #21,254 by boxley 12/12/01 9:51:09 PM Reply	Mesa Verde is in Arizona? Around the muggyon rim? tshirt front "born to die before I get old" thshirt back "fscked another one didnja?"
Post #21,276 by a6l6e6x 12/12/01 11:53:01 PM Reply	Re: Mesa Verde is in South Western Colorado. [link\|http://www.swcolo.org/tourism/archaeology/mesaverde.html\|Mesa Verde County info.] Definitely worth a trip. Not far away from "Four Corners" (Utah, Colorado, Arizona, New Mexico) Muggyon Rim? Only Google link I get is [link\|http://www.loe.org/archives/951027.htm\|this.] Alex Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction. -- Blaise Pascal (1623-1662)
Post #21,732 by boxley 12/17/01 1:55:55 PM Reply	mogollon rim, mountain men called it the muggyowen mesa verde is in Arizona in the 4 corners area. mesa Verde is also a town in colorado. (forgot about that one. thanx, bill My Dreams arn't as empty as my concience seems to ne

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