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Post #208,529 by tjsinclair 5/25/05 10:40:33 AM Reply	Too late [link\|http://thinkprogress.org/index.php?p=956\|Frist is already reneging on the deal.] He claims the agreement doesn't apply to him, only the 14 senators who signed off on it. Well, that was a pleasant fifteen minutes. Tom Sinclair "This is a lovely party," said the Bursar to a chair, "I wish I was here." -- The Bursar is a man under a lot of stress (Terry Pratchett, Lords and Ladies)
Post #208,534 by boxley 5/25/05 10:52:09 AM Reply	he doesnt have the votes Lindsey said he would oppose any nuclear option unless the dems reneged on their side, frist is losing control of his troops, look for a leadership change soon. thanx, bill All tribal myths are true, for a given value of "true" Terry Pratchett [link\|http://boxleys.blogspot.com/\|http://boxleys.blogspot.com/] Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 48 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #208,539 by Another Scott 5/25/05 11:06:35 AM Reply	Nice segue to WP article by Dan Balz [link\|http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/24/AR2005052401475.html?sub=AR\|For GOP, Deeper Fissures and a Looming Power Struggle]: The fallout from the Senate compromise that averted a showdown over judicial filibusters fell most heavily on the Republican Party yesterday, signaling intraparty warfare that is likely to shape the battle for the party's 2008 presidential nomination and further strain the unity the GOP has enjoyed under President Bush. Monday's surprise deal left two of the party's most prominent potential 2008 candidates, Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (Tenn.) and Sen. John McCain (Ariz.), on opposite sides of an ideological and strategic divide that is likely to widen as the party begins in earnest to hunt for a successor to Bush. Perhaps mindful of the power of social and religious conservatives, other GOP senators with presidential aspirations, including George Allen (Va.) and Chuck Hagel (Neb.), condemned the deal. [...] But Frist's inability or unwillingness to strike a deal with Harry M. Reid (Nev.), the Senate Democratic leader, empowered McCain and his allies to seize control of the debate. The body language of the two GOP senators -- McCain ebullient in announcing the deal, and Frist taut and drawn in interpreting it moments later on the Senate floor -- spoke volumes about the immediate reading of who won and who lost. [...] We'll have to see how it turns out, but at the moment it looks like a defeat for Frist and a victory for moderates like Warner and McCain. Cheers, Scott.
Post #208,646 by Ashton 5/26/05 2:54:10 AM Reply	Then there are those icky polls.. [link\|http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/archive.html?blog=/politics/war_room/2005/05/25/poll/index.html\| Salon]. In the polls Connecticut's Quinnipiac University released a [link\|http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x11385.xml?ReleaseID=738\| new poll] this morning surveying Americans' attitudes on abortion, the filibuster fight, and the Bush presidency. The numbers don't look great for the right wing or the White House. By 63 to 33 percent, Americans support the Supreme Court's 1973 Roe v. Wade decision, with men supporting it at a higher rate (68 to 28 percent) than women (58 to 37 percent). For all the rhetoric from the religious right about "outrage" over the filibuster compromise, the poll revealed that opinions about the nuclear option divided along party lines, with Republicans against the filibuster 48 to 39 percent, and Democrats supporting its use by 70 to 23 percent. Independent voters, meanwhile, backed the use of the filibuster by a margin of 54 to 39 percent. "While the filibuster fight ended in a truce, most American voters were backing the Democrats on this one," said Maurice Carroll, Director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute, in a statement. "If this fight were really about Roe v. Wade, Quinnipiac University polls have shown a consistent 2 -1 support for this historic ruling, with more support from men." The poll saves its worst news for the president, with 50 percent of Americans disapproving of Bush's job performance. This confirms [link\|http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/index.html?blog=/politics/war_room/2005/05/24/bush_polls/index.html\| other recent polls] that found the president's job approval at an all-time low. -- Julia Scott [13:47 EDT, May 25, 2005]
Post #208,549 by jb4 5/25/05 11:43:46 AM Reply	Fine! Let him try it. The 7 Repos who brokered the deal are sure not to follow Frist's "lead" lest they be seen as men (and women?) not of their word, which is as good as a censure vote in the day-to-day machinations of the Senate. Those 7 votes will guarantee 1) tha Frist loses on changing hte rules, and 2) that cloture will not be invoked. Together, that will emasculate Frist on this issue, and weaken him in the eyes of der F\ufffdrher and der Architekt.... It certainly strengthens McCain's hand (which is just about the last thing der F\ufffdrher would want). It's entirely possible that Frist gets "directed" to back down on this one. jb4 shrub\ufffdbish (Am., from shrub* + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf.* BULLSHIT

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