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New Re: I'm ambivalent.
I'm opposed to ID cards. I speak for myself with respect to the proposals laid out by the UK Government, and I expect that a number of these points will resonate with our Special Friends across the water.

I'm opposed to them because we are being lied to about what they are for.

They will not prevent terrorist attacks, nor will they help to prevent terrorist attacks.

They will not reduce crime. They will not increase my safety, security or privacy.

I will receive no benefit from having an ID card; I will still need to obtain a passport to travel, a driving licence to drive, credit cards to spend money and so on and so forth.

They will cost me a lot of money. I do not believe that the Government can execute on the IT requirement. The track record is very poor in this area.

Given their more-or-less total uselessness as an instrument for fighting crime and terror, I'm more than a little mystified as to why we're having them foisted upon us. I can only surmise that they are part of an increasingly authoritarian style of government.

Oh, there is one group of people who want strong biometric ID cards.

Identity thieves. Sorting out a case of identity theft will become extremely difficult and costly; this will considerably enlarge the window of opportunity in which the ID thieves can operate.


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New I understand and agree with you on all that.
But how do driver's licenses work over there? If you travel to Scotland and rent a car, do you drag out a UK drivers license or is there an English one or what? Is there an EU drivers license or does each member country still have their own?

I'm too lazy to Google. ;-)

Over here, driver's licenses are the most widely used form of photo ID and are generally regarded as second only to passports for verifying identity. The exception (and it's a big one) are fake licenses used by HS and college kids to get alcohol...

As the WP story pointed out, in Virginia it used to be far too easy to get a driver's license with minimal identification. That's why so many of the 9/11 hijackers got theirs here. Once one had a license, lots of things were available that wouldn't be if they didn't have one. Having uniform state driver's license identification requirements seems to me to be a reasonable thing. I think we can have that without having a national clearinghouse or a giant Oracle somewhere and without it becoming a de-facto internal passport.

I agree that a national ID card is a bad idea. It won't make us safer and will make it too easy for identifying information to be misused.

Cheers,
Scott.
New Re: I understand and agree with you on all that.
The UK driving licence covers all of the UK. The same rules of the road (i.e. The Highway Code) apply in England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

I can drive in EU countries without further paperwork, too.


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New Same here, but the rules to get a license were different.
Do you know if there are uniform EU standards for identification for getting a license?

Thanks.

Cheers,
Scott.
New Not AFAIK.
You simply have to comply with your country's rules for so doing.


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     Why is this not front page news? - (tuberculosis) - (29)
         I'm ambivalent. - (Another Scott) - (21)
             Re: I'm ambivalent. - (pwhysall) - (4)
                 I understand and agree with you on all that. - (Another Scott) - (3)
                     Re: I understand and agree with you on all that. - (pwhysall) - (2)
                         Same here, but the rules to get a license were different. - (Another Scott) - (1)
                             Not AFAIK. - (pwhysall)
             I recently had to get a Georgia license - (boxley) - (9)
                 Interestingly... - (pwhysall) - (8)
                     Because you're insuring *the vehicle*, not yourself, right? -NT - (CRConrad) - (7)
                         Yes and no. - (pwhysall) - (6)
                             So what happens if someone else drives (and crashes) it? -NT - (CRConrad) - (4)
                                 Re: So what happens if someone else drives (and crashes) it? - (pwhysall) - (3)
                                     Ah. Yes, ye're weird, ye Brits. Almost as weird as the Yanx. -NT - (CRConrad) - (2)
                                         What's weird about that? - (pwhysall) - (1)
                                             Ah, OK... Not all that weird, then. -NT - (CRConrad)
                             with the respect of liability insurance - (boxley)
             Re: Democrats... - (Simon_Jester) - (5)
                 No excuse all around, AFAICS. -NT - (Another Scott) - (2)
                     Website... - (Simon_Jester) - (1)
                         Cool! - (tuberculosis)
                 But..but..we're SO good at fighting the Last War - (jb4) - (1)
                     we are good at something - (boxley)
         Re: Getting to be time to go soon. - (FuManChu)
         More coverage and analysis. - (inthane-chan)
         It's done. 100:0 vote in the Senate. - (Another Scott) - (4)
             throw the bums out - (tuberculosis) - (1)
                 I want NOTA on the ballot. -NT - (mmoffitt)
             I am curious about this one.... - (Simon_Jester) - (1)
                 Let's see. - (Another Scott)

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