FAT32's not an issue. :-)

Post #206,014 by Another Scott 5/4/05 11:52:31 PM Reply	FAT32's not an issue. :-) The only formatting option is NTFS and that's what I would use anyway. The trouble is, I can't make it see the drive as being larger than 128 GB. I thought that Win2k+SP4 took care of things automagically, but it doesn't. One has to edit the registry using the [link\|http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=305098\|usual regedit voodoo]. So I added the key to the Win2k+SP4 systems thinking that would do it. No change. And the WinXPHome box already had the relevant registry key. :-( I tried the Seagate software before and after adding the key to the Win2k systems - it didn't make any difference. It still says the disk is 128 GB. No matter which of the Custom options I choose with the Seagate software it says the drive is 128 GB. Hunting around Seagate's site, I see that they have a DOS boot disk (and .ISO) with the Drive Overlay software (HD BIOS) stuff. It's not available in the Windows software for some reason. So I burned a CD and booted it. That looks even worse. As you might expect, it only shows the internal IDE drives since there aren't any DOS USB drivers (AFAIK). So that's out. Googling around some more, I found [link\|http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t15476.html\|this]. After sorting through all the stupid arguing about HD sizes in Mbytes, I found this gem: dewey1973 Nov 19 2003, 12:12 AM I bought a Seagate 160GB ATA HD and a USB 2.0 enclosure. Now everything is plugged in and I'm in the Disk Managment part of the Administrative tools. The disk only shows 128GB! Is this normal? Any idea what's going on and how I can fix it? [... scroll down to skip all the gory details about trying various versions, installing SPs, updating the BIOS, etc. ...] dewey1973 Nov 24 2003, 04:06 PM Thanks for all of your help. I was able to install the drive internally. (Shhhh, don't tell my IS department.) It showed the full capacity and I formatted it fine. I then put it back in the enclosure. The drive shows 147GB (as expected from earlier in the thread.) Audible! Nov 24 2003, 04:23 PM LOL! Glad that worked, still makes no sense at all :-) I suspect that will happen in my case too. I'll see if the Athlon64 system sees it differently, but suspect I'll need to install it internally. With luck I won't need the drive overlay software, it'll format to full capacity in Win2k, and it'll continue to show that capacity in the enclosure. It's a weekend project... The lesson so far is: Caveat Emptor when trying to use drives > 128 GB in an external USB2 enclosure. I'll report back when I know more. Cheers, Scott.
Post #206,069 by Another Scott 5/5/05 10:02:05 AM Reply	Only 128 GB on Athlon64 USB2 also...
Post #206,113 by folkert 5/5/05 3:10:02 PM Reply	What I told Yendor... with the exact same Drive you have... Make a Small 100MB partition and format it as fat. Make the rest an EXT3 filesystem. Partition 1 == Fat Partition 5 == EXT3 Put the Read/Write Software for EXT2/3 on the FAT partition so Windows can read the EXT2 partition. MACs can also benefit from this. Then format the Filesystem with a Linux machine/cd/whatever. That way, you can always have the machine read the first partition and then install the Software, then be able to read the fifth partition. Maximum funliness that way. -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* [image\|http://www.danasoft.com/vipersig.jpg\|\|\|\|]
Post #206,116 by Another Scott 5/5/05 3:15:14 PM Reply	Interesting idea. Would that work for sharing the drive over a Windows network? I wouldn't think it would, but I've been surprised by things like this before. Without using SAMBA or the like, of course. Thanks! Cheers, Scott.
Post #206,121 by folkert 5/5/05 3:28:24 PM Reply	More than likely it would work. But only be able to apply perms at the share level. No amount of forcing W2K to use EXT2/3 ACLs will work. I have done stranger things than this though... and still no ACL honoring. -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* [image\|http://www.danasoft.com/vipersig.jpg\|\|\|\|]
Post #206,510 by Another Scott 5/8/05 3:06:32 PM Reply	Formatted internally to ~ 280 GB OK. I installed it inside my newer Presario. Win2k+SP4 found it fine and let me partition it (single extended partition with a single logical drive). I did a long NTFS format without problems. ~ 280 GB. I then removed it and installed it in my external USB2 enclosure. It still only shows up as 128 GB (now unformatted) on either Presario. :-( Just for kicks I plugged it into our Mac G5. It sees it as a 280 GB drive with 201 GB available (80 GB used). It's read-only. It seems to be confused as well as nothing has been written to the partition yet, probably indicating a chipset problem inside the USB2 enclosure. Conclusion: The Kingwin [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=136997\|ExShuttle 2000] does not seem to show the full drive capacity under Windows 2000 + SP4 for drives over 128 GB. It looks like some of the newer [link\|http://www2.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?Submit=GO&Range=1&description=kingwin&InnerCata=92\|Kingwin Enclosures] don't have this limitation. It looks like this 300 GB Seagate drive might be used as an internal and I'll just use 120 GB drives in the existing USB enclosure. (I'm too chicken at this point to try the EXT3 solution Greg outlined as I will need to share the drive with Windows boxes.) Or I may send another ~ $35 order off to newegg for a new (nonswappable) enclosure.... HTH someone else out there. Cheers, Scott.
Post #206,557 by folkert 5/8/05 9:17:38 PM Reply	EXACT WHY I SAID... Make 2 partitions. Partition 1 as FAT. 100MB. Therefore Seeable and useable by all Windows since the beginnin of Win32. Partition Number 5 and EXT2/3 filesystem. Put the Windows Drivers for EXT2/3 on the 100MB partiton. That is why I said to use the first 100MB. You could try it. Before you do anything with it. The worst is you'll have to re-format it again. Remerber, First 100MB == Windows Drivers for EXT2/3, last 299.9GB == EXT2/3 -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* [image\|http://www.danasoft.com/vipersig.jpg\|\|\|\|]
Post #206,558 by Another Scott 5/8/05 9:22:55 PM Reply	OK! OK! I'll try it when I get some time. I don't think it'll work though. It seems to be a hardware problem with the IDE to USB2 chip in the external enclosure. I'll report back. I'll probably take a few days. Thanks. :-) Cheers, Scott.
Post #207,323 by Another Scott 5/13/05 7:19:17 PM Reply	Kingwin Mini Shuttle MS-350U-BK works fine. [link\|http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817146312\|Newegg.com]. It's a fairly decent looking external enclosure that works fine with the 300 GB Seagate IDE drive. The previous format I did when it was installed internally didn't need to be redone. The fan is very quiet. The power light (a green LED) is very bright. It uses a power brick (Sunny STD-1203) that weighs as much as the enclosure + HD, so it's not the most portable solution one could conceive of. The enclosure itself is made from very thin sheet metal so it shouldn't be banged around much. I'll probably try to get another power brick so that I don't have to lug it back and forth to work. So far, I'm pretty happy. Note that the drive still shows ~ 80 GB used on our G5 MacOS 10.3.9 when the partition is empty. And it's still read-only. I would still be suspicious using this NTFS combination on MacOS. The enclosure supports MacOS 8.6 and above, so it's probably just an NTFS issue. Cheers, Scott.
Post #207,394 by folkert 5/14/05 10:07:34 AM Reply	Okay. So when are you gonna try the ext2/3 option. You might just fid out The G5 can use it and open it read/write. What are you Chicken? What is the WORST that could happen? Having to re-format? -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* [image\|http://www.danasoft.com/vipersig.jpg\|\|\|\|]
Post #207,397 by Another Scott 5/14/05 10:35:48 AM Reply	<Bawk, Bawk> Yeah, it'll have to wait for another time. I'm backing up my two Presarios to it now. The first is only USB 1.1, so it's slow (< 1 MB/s). The other is 2.0 so I'm gettting about 5 MB/s at the moment. I've been backing things up since last night. I've got some time today so I'm going to try to get things ready to finally start to turn the faster Athlon into a [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=191031\|Knoppmyth box]. Doing the ext3 thingy and backup will take too long. I've bookmarked this thread and will return to it, eventually. :-) Cheers, Scott.
Post #207,411 by pwhysall 5/14/05 3:07:32 PM Reply	I had a revelation a while back. I needed to shuffle ~20GB of data between the Mac and the PC (it was my iTunes library, as it happens. It lives on a shared FAT32 partition on the PC, so the Linux install can get at it, too). Network was pulling a huge 5MB/sec (hurrah for half-duplex wireless!) and then I went out and bought a IEEE1394 cable. It was at this point that I discovered that on Linux, Ethernet-on-Firewire doesn't actually work for useful values of "work", so had to use XP. The Mac was, naturally, doddlesome. Hoo boy, it's quick. Peter [link\|http://www.ubuntulinux.org\|Ubuntu Linux] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes!
Post #207,415 by Another Scott 5/14/05 4:14:33 PM Reply	Mac + Firewire = Made for each other. I assume you know about [link\|http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Hardware/Developer_Notes/Macintosh_CPUs-G5/PowerMacG5_SP/3Input-Output/chapter_4_section_3.html\|Target Disk Mode]. It lets you boot up a Mac so that it just looks like a disk to another Mac. It's good for moving things from a Powerbook to a PowerMac. There's a similar [link\|http://www.lowendmac.com/macdan/01/0706hj.html\|SCSI] mode too. It looks like you can't do anything similar with a PC. Of course, an IPod is supposed to be [link\|http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=61131\|great] for going from Winders -> Mac or back, but the capacity is limited. And you have to be careful about how you do music or the software won't be happy... No first-hand experience with either TDM or iPod, just passing along some info I've picked up here and there. :-) Cheers, Scott.
Post #206,567 by SpiceWare 5/8/05 10:05:50 PM Reply	NTFS is read only on the Mac. My mom ran into that with her new iBook and her existing external drive. Darrell Spice, Jr. [link\|http://spiceware.org/gallery/ArtisticOverpass\|Artistic Overpass]\n[link\|http://www.spiceware.org/\|SpiceWare] - We don't do Windows, it's too much of a chore
Post #206,572 by Another Scott 5/8/05 10:41:41 PM Reply	That's the safest thing. Similarly on Linux too, AFAIK. Though I've seen some R/W Linux NTFS drivers. Since there are half-a-dozen NTFS variations, and since MS hasn't published the full specification (again AFAIK), it's safest to have NTFS support be read-only. There really should be a reasonably full-featured, safe, open file system that all of the major OSes support. NTFS would seem to be a natural choice, but we know how MS is... It's a pain, but such is life. Maybe in 10 years, when everything is networked, it won't matter any more for most users. Cheers, Scott.
Post #206,583 by pwhysall 5/9/05 1:14:45 AM Reply	Re: That's the safest thing. Similarly on Linux too, AFAIK. Google "Captive NTFS" for R/W NTFS on Linux. Peter [link\|http://www.ubuntulinux.org\|Ubuntu Linux] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes!

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