I have no problem with faith based charity

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Post #205,733 by tuberculosis 5/3/05 3:00:58 PM Reply	I have no problem with faith based charity that is open and provides services with no strings attached. I'm not a big fan of the Hare Krishnas but the HK temple in Detroit (with some help from Henry Ford Jr) feeds an awful lot of people without telling them that their souls are in mortal danger all the time. Its the ones that set up the big buffet and require you to be baptised before being given a plate that I object to. Hard vs Soft sell I suppose. But if you're going to put those kinds of conditions on things, then don't expect to work with the government. Evangelicals are their own worst enemy here. They could change their approach and end the objections. But they're apparently too filled with "holy spirit" or something to develop actual compassion and respect for alternative beliefs. If your thing is so good, do good works and people will seek to be like you. Stay a preachy fear mongering asshole and you will be shunned and impeded. What a fucking surprise. "Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein "This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
Post #205,776 by Simon_Jester 5/3/05 6:48:26 PM Reply	I do.... not with faith-based charities... but I do have a problem with Tax Dollars going to faith-based charities. Look the government can cut a check - or not. I don't see any reason for Tax Dollars going to faith-based charities. If the government wants to help out some bloke, fine, run a program and help some bloke. Do NOT take my Tax Dollars and give it to someone who claims they are going to help some bloke. (I'm not biased in this, btw. I don't believe in the US Government giving Tax Dollars to the American Red Cross or the United Way either.)
Post #205,803 by boxley 5/3/05 8:51:59 PM Reply	so you are against privitization of government? salvation army gets a lot more bang for the buck than the state welfare office. thanx, bill All tribal myths are true, for a given value of "true" Terry Pratchett [link\|http://boxleys.blogspot.com/\|http://boxleys.blogspot.com/] Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 48 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #205,861 by hnick 5/4/05 7:17:30 AM Reply	Maybe so.. but the Sally Anne is not accountable to the public. The government is (well... it's supposed to be.) If they are using tax dollars, there should be some accountability.
Post #205,864 by boxley 5/4/05 8:11:17 AM Reply	thats what audits are for. All tribal myths are true, for a given value of "true" Terry Pratchett [link\|http://boxleys.blogspot.com/\|http://boxleys.blogspot.com/] Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 48 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #205,868 by pwhysall 5/4/05 8:25:06 AM Reply	I thought they were to get rid of thetans. Peter [link\|http://www.ubuntulinux.org\|Ubuntu Linux] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes!
Post #206,013 by Simon_Jester 5/4/05 11:45:15 PM Reply	So does the United Way and Red Cross.... yet I still don't see any reason for my TAX DOLLARS to go to them. Besides, you and I both know that charities and privization are two different things. (The key elements being those Audits and Measurements that you just mentioned below.)

Pat Robertson:Democratic judges greater threat than Al Qaeda - (tuberculosis) - (42) - May 3, 2005, 12:54:33 PM EDT

Democratic judicial appointments? - (warmachine) - (38) - May 3, 2005, 01:11:09 PM EDT

I'm sure that Republican judges who are not . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (37) - May 3, 2005, 01:24:31 PM EDT

I assume there's no need to 'Run!'? - (warmachine) - (2) - May 3, 2005, 01:38:07 PM EDT

he's running for president :-) -NT - (boxley) - May 3, 2005, 01:44:23 PM EDT

He tried - (JayMehaffey) - May 3, 2005, 01:55:16 PM EDT

And it is the underlying sentiment.. - (bepatient) - (33) - May 3, 2005, 01:46:48 PM EDT

The terrible part - (JayMehaffey) - (23) - May 3, 2005, 02:02:08 PM EDT

How do you know? - (bepatient) - (21) - May 3, 2005, 02:50:47 PM EDT

I have no problem with faith based charity - (tuberculosis) - (6) - May 3, 2005, 03:00:58 PM EDT

I do.... - (Simon_Jester) - (5) - May 3, 2005, 06:48:26 PM EDT

so you are against privitization of government? - (boxley) - (4) - May 3, 2005, 08:51:59 PM EDT

Maybe so.. - (hnick) - (2) - May 4, 2005, 07:17:30 AM EDT

thats what audits are for. -NT - (boxley) - (1) - May 4, 2005, 08:11:17 AM EDT

I thought they were to get rid of thetans. -NT - (pwhysall) - May 4, 2005, 08:25:06 AM EDT

So does the United Way and Red Cross.... - (Simon_Jester) - May 4, 2005, 11:45:15 PM EDT

Not most, all - (JayMehaffey) - (13) - May 3, 2005, 03:32:59 PM EDT

Same for tsunami relief. - (Andrew Grygus) - (12) - May 3, 2005, 04:10:17 PM EDT

Oooh. Threats. - (imric) - (11) - May 3, 2005, 04:58:48 PM EDT

Skip, you're an exception - (ben_tilly) - (10) - May 3, 2005, 05:34:11 PM EDT

Are you sure? - (imric) - (9) - May 3, 2005, 06:07:14 PM EDT

Look at your link more closely - (ben_tilly) - (7) - May 3, 2005, 06:20:58 PM EDT

Extremes - (imric) - (6) - May 3, 2005, 06:59:21 PM EDT

What portion of the country is devout? - (ben_tilly) - (5) - May 3, 2005, 07:30:03 PM EDT

I'll accept that. - (imric) - May 3, 2005, 07:45:08 PM EDT

If you assume the polls had a representative sample... -NT - (Another Scott) - (3) - May 3, 2005, 07:58:12 PM EDT

Polling is fairly accurate - (ben_tilly) - (2) - May 3, 2005, 08:08:19 PM EDT

Is it "religious" or "church going christian"? - (tuberculosis) - (1) - May 3, 2005, 11:07:10 PM EDT

IIRC, both of those flipped - (ben_tilly) - May 4, 2005, 12:10:38 AM EDT

agreed the repo in my house isnt an ardent church goer - (boxley) - May 3, 2005, 08:55:01 PM EDT

What he said. - (jb4) - May 3, 2005, 06:56:04 PM EDT

OK, so there are some moderate Christians . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (2) - May 3, 2005, 03:12:00 PM EDT

Re: "crosses instead of swastikas" - (a6l6e6x) - (1) - May 3, 2005, 05:08:14 PM EDT

Not actually, despite the German name. - (Andrew Grygus) - May 3, 2005, 11:53:00 PM EDT

Tolerance is supposed to be a 2 way street - (hnick) - (1) - May 3, 2005, 04:33:55 PM EDT

Re: Tolerance is supposed to be a 2 way street - (bepatient) - May 3, 2005, 07:37:43 PM EDT

Uhh, Bill? Put a cork in it. - (jb4) - (3) - May 3, 2005, 06:53:24 PM EDT

Uh, no. - (bepatient) - (2) - May 3, 2005, 07:43:59 PM EDT

Didn't you see "Independence Day"? - (jb4) - (1) - May 4, 2005, 01:37:35 PM EDT

Oh yeah... - (bepatient) - May 4, 2005, 08:31:20 PM EDT

s/biggest threat to America/most representative of Americans - (mmoffitt) - May 3, 2005, 05:09:45 PM EDT

Robertson's in a class by himself. - (Another Scott) - May 3, 2005, 07:05:58 PM EDT

Since he's wrong... - (andread) - May 4, 2005, 03:17:25 PM EDT

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