Post #205,690
5/3/05 10:56:04 AM
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run, get out while you can! just dont run here
[link|http://www.thisislondon.com/news/articles/18329652?source=Evening%20Standard|http://www.thisislon...vening%20Standard] Noisy neighbours have become a scourge of modern life, resulting in stress, sleepless nights and even violence.
Now Westminster Council hopes a new wireless microphone could help tackle the problem.
It plans to attach the device to lamp posts outside houses, allowing inspectors to monitor sound levels. If neighbours make too much noise, council officials will and these people think we're fucked :-) thanx, bill All tribal myths are true, for a given value of "true" Terry Pratchett
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Post #205,696
5/3/05 12:06:12 PM
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I'd welcome one of those in front of the wonderpad
in Denver. Noisy bar opened across the street. Drunks yelling into cellphones under my window at 2:00 gets old fast. No the bar wasn't there when I first moved in.
Have seen several fights break out, or yelling confrontations. Called 911 half a dozen times, invariably cops drive by without stopping - commotion has moved on by the time they get there. But now we're all awake and pissed off.
"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain
"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein
"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
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Post #205,698
5/3/05 12:11:45 PM
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Just because the UK
seems to be vying to be the 'new Austria', doesn't mean that we're not [link|http://www.imrics.net/publish/timecover10.jpg|fucked].
Heute die Welt, morgen das Sonnensystem!
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- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Post #206,512
5/8/05 3:27:30 PM
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YM http://www.imrics.net/publish/IMAGES/timecover10.jpg HTH.
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Post #206,536
5/8/05 6:15:28 PM
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*chuckle* just moved that - housekeeping on that folder.
sorry...
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- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #205,704
5/3/05 12:43:48 PM
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So, what's the problem?
Noise loud enough to disturb people across the street is called noise pollution. The UK is a crowded, little island. It's not as if this can be used to listen to people inside their houses. I can see these being used as evidence in ASBOs (Anti-social behaviour orders). Sounds good to me.
Matthew Greet
But we must kill them. We must incinerate them. Pig after pig, cow after cow, village after village, army after army. And they call me an assassin. What do you call it when the assassins accuse the assassin? They lie. They lie and we must be merciful to those who lie.
- Colonol Kurtz, Apocalypse Now.
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Post #205,706
5/3/05 12:48:47 PM
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ASBO? conform or be jailed is that it?
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Post #205,709
5/3/05 1:00:42 PM
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Nah. It's stop being a neighbour from hell or move out
Matthew Greet
But we must kill them. We must incinerate them. Pig after pig, cow after cow, village after village, army after army. And they call me an assassin. What do you call it when the assassins accuse the assassin? They lie. They lie and we must be merciful to those who lie.
- Colonol Kurtz, Apocalypse Now.
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Post #205,710
5/3/05 1:03:12 PM
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it seems
that you want to enforce a "be a knobber right up until someone shoots you dead" with not much in-between "being an annoying tit who's making other people's lives a misery" and "being jailed for life or executed for it".
We live *close together* here. Someone who is being antisocial (noisy in the small hours, intimidating a neighbourhood) is potentially making a *lot* of people unhappy and uncomfortable.
We've tried asking nicely. These people don't respond to being asked nicely.
The ASBO is a chance to stop being the aforesaid knobber without going to a University Of Crime to graduate with a joint honours in Twocking and Mugging with Drug Dealing.
But hey, you live in the BEST DAMN COUNTRY EVAR where you're SO DAMN FREE.
Whoops DMCA. Whoops UCITA. Whoops RIAA (who, the rat bastards, are giving the BPI ideas. Cheers for that.) Whoops PATRIOT. Whoops "Department of Homeland Security" (ITYM Overwatch).
Yeah, it's not perfect over here. But it AIN'T THAT BAD and it AIN'T AS BAD AS YOU'RE PAINTING IT.
Peter
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Post #205,722
5/3/05 1:59:43 PM
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These People?
Oh - so you know them all?
Go on - rationalize your own surveillance society.
And - it sure as HELL isn't just the hooligans being targeted, from the sound of that article. It sure as HELL isn't just noise on the street, either. Part of what they are targeting is 'hardwood floors'.
As to crowded? We don't need to be watched and monitored 24-7 in the NY-NJ area. You gonna claim to be more crowded than that? Are you guys that much less civilised than we are? Or are you just more 'antisocial', hmm?
Is it your nationalistic pride that makes you blind to a bad thing, just because it's being done by your government? If so, our countries seem to share the same crippling social disease.
Whatever. Enjoy sliding on your slippery slope, and our countries will share a beer together in Hell.
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] Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #205,728
5/3/05 2:38:04 PM
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What bad thing?
Firstly, I disagree with your assessment of the UK as a "surveillance society" and would be very wary of making claims that the NYC/NJ area is somehow magically free of CCTV cameras. Without pulling any figures from /dev/ass, the USA is a booming growth market for CCTV.
And here's the rant. You're going to disagree with, I wot, but what the hell. Note to deconstructivists; it's a rant.
Society has proven itself thoroughly incapable of acting in a noble and civilised manner, and therefore we need, as a group, to be treated like children.
Sorry.
We had a chance.
We blew it; we blew it to hell in a miasma of a compensation culture that basically says that if you're the villain, you're the victim and that it's OK to build a social structure where less achievement is more. Violence is social standing. Other people are just objects to be mugged and momentarily humiliated. At the top and at the increasingly populous bottom, "fuck you" is the basic methodology of daily life. People like my sister try to teach something to these children. The response? They [link|http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/3663916.stm|deliberately fail their exams] in order to gain social standing. Childhood has transformed ; no longer a phase one goes through en route to adulthood, but the final state. Boys don't become men and girls don't become women.
Stuck somewhere in the middle, you and I are decent, civilised human beings who recognise the worth and value of others. We want to build a life for ourselves and those closest to us. We want to go to bed thinking of a day's work well done. We want to earn the respect of our friends and co-workers, not through violence or theft, but through being decent folk who work hard.
These people (yeah, THESE PEOPLE; nonsense about "do you know them all?" notwithstanding) just want to steal my car and burn it out[0].
For a laugh.
Bonus points for mugging me for 20 quid for some blow and a bottle of Frosty Jack. Don't forget to administer a good kicking, just in case.
[0] Vincent Vega: "What's more chickenshit than fucking with a man's automobile?"
Peter
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Post #205,734
5/3/05 3:01:31 PM
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No fear
Why are these folks like this?
Because in order to be "politically correct", most "punishment" nowadays really isn't. What is the harm for that child in failing if he/she knows that 1) the school is forced to keep them 2) their parent(s) could give a shit 3) when they can't get a job the government will take care of them forever and 4) the rest of the world are forced to be sheep because those "civilized" folks all over the world insist that we not be allowed to defend ourselves?
Yeah...what a great experiment that was. Somebody figure out the question that spawned the answer 42 so the mice will end this experiment already.
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Post #205,735
5/3/05 3:02:08 PM
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loverly, I want that delivered with a slur about 10pm on sat
july 2nd, see if it sounds as good in person as it did in writing.
thanx,
bill
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Post #205,738
5/3/05 3:07:24 PM
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As noted on Jabber:
* ethiksgradient cannot WAIT to meet skip
ethiksgradient: I suspect we're going to argue deep into the night
ethiksgradient: in the nicest possible way, natch
you have no idea how much I'm looking forward to it :-)
Peter
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Post #205,856
5/4/05 6:58:12 AM
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As are we, my friend.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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Post #205,849
5/4/05 5:44:21 AM
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Once again: 'The Light of Other Days'
[Arthur C. Clarke + writer acolyte]
describes the fate of 'privacy' in the stacked-deck -now reality- of trillions of cheap transistors and the usual suspects: wanting an orderly homogenized flock of sheep, regularly sheared and Loving It. Never mind race, locale or previous ideas about The Good Life\ufffd. The piedie is cast.
Pie.. Pie Gone
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Post #205,865
5/4/05 8:15:37 AM
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OK, now that you really described
your wonderful little island, I have to joinn Mr. Machine in saying:
"GET OUT! ESCAPE WHILE YOU CAN!"
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Post #205,869
5/4/05 8:25:50 AM
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You know what really sticks in my throat?
The fact that there's not really anywhere better to go.
Peter
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Post #205,870
5/4/05 8:26:57 AM
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A-friggin-men.
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] Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #207,971
5/18/05 12:14:59 PM
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Capitalism is the worst possible system
with the exception of all others.
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Post #205,874
5/4/05 8:38:25 AM
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Stop stealing my trademark
"Run! Get out while you can!" is my trademark. Get your own.
As for the original post, I fail to see the problem. No one's claiming this is some anti-terrorist scheme. It's to settle petty disputes between bitchy neighbours.
What are the secret service going to do with it? Identify protesters in Westminster by their voice, rather than with a camera? Uniquely identify passing cars by their engine noise? Listen to our conversations as we shout them across the street? Claim they've overheard a conversation between 2 Al-Qaeda operatives in the street and then declare martial law?
It's part of the great, British tradition of bitching at your local council.
Matthew Greet
But we must kill them. We must incinerate them. Pig after pig, cow after cow, village after village, army after army. And they call me an assassin. What do you call it when the assassins accuse the assassin? They lie. They lie and we must be merciful to those who lie.
- Colonol Kurtz, Apocalypse Now.
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Post #205,885
5/4/05 9:46:14 AM
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that wooshing sound is the point flying over your head
the sheer idea of the local council/constabulary/mayor listening to my conversations in my own home would result in a local guy fawkes celebration involving fireworks tar and feathers.
thanx,
bill
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Post #205,887
5/4/05 9:47:25 AM
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They're already doing it.
They're just not telling you.
Tinfoil?
Maybe.
Peter
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Post #205,889
5/4/05 9:49:23 AM
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naw, the trees block the signals
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Post #206,527
5/8/05 4:53:15 PM
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Learn to read; that's not what it says.
ImriSkip gets it wrong: And - it sure as HELL isn't just the hooligans being targeted, from the sound of that article. It sure as HELL isn't just noise on the street, either. Part of what they are targeting is 'hardwood floors'. There's nothing in the article to point to this being some super-spy listen-trough-walls technology; all their examples of situations where this will be used are stuff that makes noise *outside*. The bit about "hard flooring" is from the top five *complaints* to the National Society for Clean Air and Environmental Protection, and "Wooden floors" is part of a quote of the NSCA's spokesperson, Mary Stevens -- background material in both cases; nothing to do with the Westminster Council, for which a mr Steve Harrison speaks in this article.
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Post #205,761
5/3/05 5:03:44 PM
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This is a bad thing?
I'm not convinced. See [link|http://www.davidbrin.com/privacyarticles.html#ts|The Transparent Society] for an argument that this kind of device is actually a good thing.
Cheers,
Ben
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