Not in my book

Post #204,954 by tuberculosis 4/27/05 2:17:46 PM Reply	Not in my book Apple products have traditionally been overpriced You're showing your age big time. This hasn't been true for a long time. Apple stuff has been competitively priced since the second coming. It costs a bit more, it is built a lot better than the competition. The Apple II was a scam. You might say the same thing about the VW Beetle. The Apple II was the most successful desktop computer up to that time and was the impetus for IBM to enter the market. There wasn't much to compare to it at the time. The Apple III was a scam. The word you're looking for is "Lemon". You know, like the Ford Pinto. The Lisa was a scam. And yet it was ground breaking and changed forever how people perceived computers. Failure? Yes. Too expensive. I liken it to the Prius. New technology, not quite ready for general use. When the Lisa was obviously failing Jobs dumped the Macintosh development crew, put in his own toadies and claimed it as his own. My recollection is that he was kicked off the team by the new management. He started the Mac as a skunkworks project. He saved the company by doing it. The Next was a scam. Them's figthing words. Again, groundbreaking technology. I don't know a single Next developer who doesn't lament its loss. It sired the World Wide Web and it lives on as Cocoa in OS X. It is Apple's secret weapon. Shareware remains a thriving little industry on the Mac because its so easy and fun to program, largely thanks to Cocoa. It was packaged badly in the hardware though. Apple recurited gobs of VARs for the Newton and they spent a lot of money developing for it. The moment Jobs returned he turned that into a scam by canceling it right out from under them. Huh? He kills a product he wouldn't have created in the first place and you call that a scam? I can't count the number of dealer scams, and right now Jobs is deliberately and systematically putting every independent Apple dealer out of business so you can only get a Mac from an Apple store. This is different from M$'s treatment of 3rd party developers how? The only thing that kept Apple alive through more major business blunders than any other business could have survived was a thoroughly conned pool of enthusiasts completely sold that image was superior to reality. Uh, the reality was that the product was superior to the image (windows). Conned? I feel like I got good value for my money. But I usually shop value vs price. "Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein "This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
Post #204,960 by Andrew Grygus 4/27/05 2:43:41 PM Reply	The Apple II was made popular by VisiCalc, and . . . . . Dan Briklin's stubborn refusal to make a CPM/80 version because he couldn't effectively copy protect it. In the business market people chose Apple IIs to run VisiCalc, and for no other reason. An Eagle running CPM/80 was a far better machine for business. SuperCalc was already killing off the Apple II in business when Lotus came on the scene. As for the IBM PC, yes, the Apple II did have a role. Dan Estridge asked "why is the Apple II so popular" and his answer was, "because so many companies are making money producing add-in products and software for it." The IBM PC was pretty much an updated Apple II, something Apple should have already done long before. At the same time Steve Jobs looked at the same situation and said, "Look at all those companies making money off the Apple II. That is all rightfully Apple's money and this can never be allowed to happen again". History is the judge. [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #204,982 by CRConrad 4/27/05 4:08:33 PM Reply	Good to know you aren't all that freakishly brilliant. Allowed the wool to be pretty comprehensively pulled down over your eyes by Steve, you have. [link\|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode\|Christian R. Conrad] (I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.) Your lies are of Microsoftian Scale and boring to boot. Your 'depression' may be the closest you ever come to recognizing truth: you have no 'inferiority complex', you are inferior - and something inside you recognizes this. - [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=71575\|Ashton Brown]
Post #205,004 by tuberculosis 4/27/05 5:46:53 PM Reply	As opposed to Dell/Gates people who would have fought the introduction of the transistor rather than risk a down quarter? Somebody has to blaze the trails and take the wrong turns. Jobs's influence on the industry is ubiquitous and undeniable. "Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein "This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
Post #205,037 by boxley 4/27/05 9:03:44 PM Reply	points to the gryge except for the NeXT, beautiful box wonder to behold, bsd under the hood for the most part. Not having a floppy? Feh, the apollo's sitting NeXT to them didnt have floppies either, or the decs. disclaimer I am/was NeXT certified repair person thanx, bill All tribal myths are true, for a given value of "true" Terry Pratchett [link\|http://boxleys.blogspot.com/\|http://boxleys.blogspot.com/] Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 48 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #205,043 by Another Scott 4/27/05 9:25:13 PM Reply	Wow. You really have done everything, haven't you? :-)
Post #205,051 by boxley 4/27/05 9:36:44 PM Reply	naw, there is a wicker swing with a hole in the bottom..... All tribal myths are true, for a given value of "true" Terry Pratchett [link\|http://boxleys.blogspot.com/\|http://boxleys.blogspot.com/] Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 48 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #205,068 by Andrew Grygus 4/27/05 10:29:45 PM Reply	I'll partially concede on the NeXT . . . . . since I've had little contact with it (as for the others - I wuz there and done that). On the other hand, the floppy issue was widley discussed at the time and it was hurting the NeXT, but Jobs wouldn't allow it because floppies were "obsolete". Eventually he caved, and of course he presented adding a floppy drive as his own idea, but by then it was too late. Today not having a floppy isn't a big deal but back then you probably had a 9600bps modem if you were lucky enought to have WAN connectivity at all, and today a writable CD costs $0.50 vs. as much as $40 for writable optical back then. [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]

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