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Post #204,896 by tjsinclair 4/26/05 10:24:28 PM Reply	This doesn't seem right and I consider myself a big Apple apologist. I wonder what was in the book? Tom Sinclair "This is a lovely party," said the Bursar to a chair, "I wish I was here." -- The Bursar is a man under a lot of stress (Terry Pratchett, Lords and Ladies)
Post #204,899 by Andrew Grygus 4/26/05 10:34:59 PM 4/26/05 10:36:12 PM Reply	You must be very busy. Being an Apple apologist would keep you on your toes. We're all lucky Steve self destructed there for awhile and we got the Bungling Bill and Baldy team running the Evil Empire rather than a real Genius of Evil who would have done it right. Oh, and I think there's now a lot of people wondering what's in there - should be a hot seller. [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx] Edited by Andrew Grygus April 26, 2005, 10:36:12 PM EDT Expand All History
Post #204,901 by Another Scott 4/26/05 10:50:30 PM 4/26/05 11:12:11 PM Reply	Seems to be an update of an earlier work. [link\|http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0471720836/104-1490198-7197559\|Amazon]: In this encore to his classic 1987 unauthorized biography of Steve Jobs-a major bestseller- Jeffrey Young examines Jobs' remarkable resurgence, one of the most amazing business comeback stories in recent years. Drawing on a wide range of sources in Silicon Valley and Hollywood, he details how Jobs put Apple back on track, first with the iMac and then with the iPod, and traces Jobs' role in the remarkable rise of the Pixar animation studio, including his rancorous feud with Disney's Michael Eisner. * Written with insider scoops and no-holds-barred style * Based on hundreds of highly unauthorized interviews with Jobs' nearest and dearest * New information on the acrimonious parting between Eisner and Jobs, the personal vendetta behind the return to Apple, and the future of iPod and the music industry Sounds like it might be a hatchet job - and with a title like that, it seems rather obvious - , but who knows. I can understand Apple not carrying it, but dropping the rest of Wiley's books seems very petty. I'm sure Young is loving the publicity... [edit:] Jean-Louis Gassee has some interesting comments about one of the authors on [link\|http://dangillmor.typepad.com/dan_gillmor_on_grassroots/2005/04/apples_latest_a.html#comments\|Gillmor's Blog]: Who knows how many people Bill Simon and his cohort called, how can they (and their publisher) be surprised Steve's unhappy with the dirty deed? These guys are out to make a buck off his back. As the French say, the higher the monkey climbs the more people see its derri\ufffdre... He agrees that Steve went too far in retaliation, if I infer correctly.[/edit] Cheers, Scott. Edited by Another Scott April 26, 2005, 11:12:11 PM EDT Expand All History
Post #204,928 by scoenye 4/27/05 10:48:41 AM Reply	Sort of, but not for the reason everyone else is PO'd Also from [link\|http://dangillmor.typepad.com/dan_gillmor_on_grassroots/2005/04/apples_latest_a.html#comments\|Gillmore's blog] Bill Simon was looking for controversial topics. He wasn't happy to hear I felt Gil Amelio made a great decision in bringing Steve back at Apple, I guess he expected sour grapes. and This said, Steve should let ankle biters and mud eaters be seen for who they are and he for who he is, the man who made and remade Apple, built Pixar in between and smile magnanimously at the poor envious eunuchs. I.o.w. he thinks Jobs sullied himself by even acknowledging the authors' existence.
Post #204,912 by tjsinclair 4/27/05 1:21:02 AM Reply	Well, it keeps me off the streets... Tom Sinclair "This is a lovely party," said the Bursar to a chair, "I wish I was here." -- The Bursar is a man under a lot of stress (Terry Pratchett, Lords and Ladies)
Post #204,910 by CRConrad 4/27/05 1:09:51 AM Reply	Y "wonder what WAS in" it? Still IS - just BUY it elsewhere!
Post #204,919 by Another Scott 4/27/05 7:49:13 AM Reply	I think I would have used "was". I took TJ's sentence as: I wonder what was in the book that caused Jobs and Apple to take this action. I don't think is works as well there. YMMV. Oh, and the book isn't due out for another month, so this may be an example of one of those weird [link\|http://www.answers.com/topic/english-verbs\|past/future imperfect] things in English (talking about something in the present that happened in the past that we won't know about until the future). Cheers, Scott.
Post #204,921 by CRConrad 4/27/05 8:34:08 AM Reply	Ah, that's a relief. So I only (possibly/probably) misread TJS. Seeing the title of your post, I was beginning to fear I'd got some language thing wrong for the simple interpretation that I thought was the case here, of TJS actually thinking that the book had been stoppedd from appearing altogether. Don't scare people like that, ScottyKat! ;-) [link\|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode\|Christian R. Conrad] (I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.) Your lies are of Microsoftian Scale and boring to boot. Your 'depression' may be the closest you ever come to recognizing truth: you have no 'inferiority complex', you are inferior - and something inside you recognizes this. - [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=71575\|Ashton Brown]
Post #204,996 by a6l6e6x 4/27/05 5:03:16 PM Reply	From the Motley Fool: ... Nobody likes a whiner. The headlines I speak of describe a recent incident involving a book called iCon: Steve Jobs, the Greatest Second Act in the History of Business. Apple apparently got a hold of an advance copy of the unauthorized biography, and after a month's worth of attempts to scuttle the book's publication, it has now removed all books by publisher John Wiley & Sons from Apple stores, in protest. The first clue as to why Apple might be miffed comes in the title. The word "icon" is a compliment ("one who is the object of great attention and devotion; an idol," according to dictionary.com), as is a line like "the greatest second act in the history of business." Interpreting things that way, it sounds like a fairly positive title. But there is, of course, this play on words: "I con." Even if the book does contain some less-than-idolizing content about Jobs, which seems certain, well, as long as it's not slanderous, some negative opinion is just one of the downsides of being a public figure. Secondly, removing the publisher's books from Apple stores simply appears petty. The media blitz about said move certainly doesn't do much for Apple -- and it has likely achieved exactly what the company didn't want by stoking interest in the book. [link\|http://www.fool.com/News/mft/2005/mft05042718.htm?source=eptyholnk303100&logvisit=y&npu=y\|Link]. Alex The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. -- Bertrand Russell
Post #205,000 by ben_tilly 4/27/05 5:21:57 PM Reply	The hope from Apple would be... that increased sales of one book around the world are not made up for from lost sales of all books through Apple. And this would cause the publisher to withdraw the book. Of course it won't happen because no publisher wants to set a precedent of being able to be pushed around if they publish a book that someone dislikes. Cheers, Ben I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
Post #205,020 by ChrisR 4/27/05 6:30:04 PM Reply	So what's Apple's volumes for book sales? Can't see losing that channel for a publisher makes much difference in the long run.
Post #205,024 by ben_tilly 4/27/05 7:27:26 PM Reply	Point Apple is not only a bully, it is an inept bully. Cheers, Ben I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
Post #205,036 by a6l6e6x 4/27/05 8:56:43 PM Reply	Yep. Their action was couterproductive. [link\|http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/04/27/apple_snubs_wiley/\|Register]: Despite almost turning over a billion dollars year, the Hoboken, NJ-based company remains a family-owned firm, and is standing by its authors. iCon had shot up to No.144 in Amazon.com's sales rankings today. [link\|http://www.wiley.com/WileyCDA/\|John Wiley & Sons, Inc] is traded on the New York Stock Exchange. Tickers: JWa and JWb for class A and class B stock respectively. Alex The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. -- Bertrand Russell

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