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Post #202,913 by ben_tilly 4/11/05 7:45:54 PM Reply	I'm saying that... I don't see the longevity of a belief system as necessarily deriving from its correctness or being based on something real. I can offer examples suggesting that this is true for belief systems lasting a few hundred years. I see nothing wrong with extrapolating this to belief systems that are a few thousand years old. This puts me in disagreement with people who seem to believe that all belief systems that are old enough had to have a basis in fact or they wouldn't have lasted. Cheers, Ben I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
Post #202,919 by boxley 4/11/05 8:12:46 PM Reply	so the fact that darwinism is over 100 years? All tribal myths are true, for a given value of "true" Terry Pratchett [link\|http://boxleys.blogspot.com/\|http://boxleys.blogspot.com/] Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 48 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #202,921 by ben_tilly 4/11/05 8:58:23 PM Reply	Of course My statement was again that, I don't see the longevity of a belief system as necessarily* deriving from its correctness or being based on something real.* That applies to any scientific claim as well. That doesn't mean that any particular claim is necessarily incorrect and based on something false. That particularly does not mean that when said claim is something that has been through the kind of stress-testing that science routinely does. Cheers, Ben I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)

You have thin skin then - (ben_tilly) - (37) - April 8, 2005, 10:42:17 PM EDT

And some who DO - (FuManChu) - (1) - April 9, 2005, 01:22:14 AM EDT

And some simply believe-in Belief. -NT - (Ashton) - April 9, 2005, 04:01:20 AM EDT

I do love this sort of thing, really I do. - (ubernostrum) - (13) - April 9, 2005, 04:12:21 PM EDT

Ooohh - An apt handle, it seems. - (Ashton) - (12) - April 9, 2005, 07:24:38 PM EDT

Wow. - (ubernostrum) - (8) - April 9, 2005, 08:00:48 PM EDT

It is an artform called - (folkert) - (6) - April 9, 2005, 09:22:28 PM EDT

you forgot his double minor in obscurantism and dialectics -NT - (boxley) - (5) - April 9, 2005, 10:11:42 PM EDT

Love. It. - serial involute argot-irony. Lo-carbs too! :-\ufffd -NT - (Ashton) - (4) - April 10, 2005, 03:26:38 PM EDT

You're rhubarbing. -NT - (pwhysall) - (3) - April 10, 2005, 03:41:31 PM EDT

Beats fish & chips. -NT - (Ashton) - (2) - April 10, 2005, 04:17:56 PM EDT

But not the squirrels. -NT - (pwhysall) - (1) - April 10, 2005, 04:24:13 PM EDT

Lo, I have become Death. - (Ashton) - April 10, 2005, 04:46:52 PM EDT

Coward! - (Ashton) - April 10, 2005, 06:24:57 AM EDT

I'd rather have a bottle in front of me - (screamer) - (2) - April 10, 2005, 12:13:21 AM EDT

Gawdeamus igitur y'all - - (Ashton) - (1) - April 10, 2005, 06:08:07 AM EDT

The only thing dragging with me - (danreck) - April 10, 2005, 11:39:58 PM EDT

When I say "offensive", I mean literally - (Arkadiy) - (20) - April 10, 2005, 10:48:46 AM EDT

IEEE Spectrum on outsourcing. (new thread) - (Another Scott) - April 10, 2005, 11:06:30 AM EDT

Maybe a fair cop on George's anger, of late. - (Ashton) - April 10, 2005, 04:16:24 PM EDT

Hmmm.... Still trying to understand this. - (mmoffitt) - (15) - April 11, 2005, 02:49:28 PM EDT

How is that relevant? - (Arkadiy) - (14) - April 11, 2005, 04:11:58 PM EDT

You've got the wrong question - (ben_tilly) - (11) - April 11, 2005, 04:29:12 PM EDT

Yes it does offend me - (Arkadiy) - (10) - April 11, 2005, 04:48:29 PM EDT

OK then... - (ben_tilly) - (9) - April 11, 2005, 04:51:11 PM EDT

I have nothing to say about Astrology - (Arkadiy) - (8) - April 11, 2005, 04:55:46 PM EDT

And your evidence for this is...? - (ben_tilly) - (6) - April 11, 2005, 05:14:21 PM EDT

Your beliefs do not offend me - (Arkadiy) - (1) - April 11, 2005, 05:40:52 PM EDT

I think the expression is calculated - (hnick) - April 11, 2005, 05:50:56 PM EDT

I don't get what u mean by: rules that govern human behavior - (FuManChu) - (3) - April 11, 2005, 07:23:35 PM EDT

I'm saying that... - (ben_tilly) - (2) - April 11, 2005, 07:45:54 PM EDT

so the fact that darwinism is over 100 years? -NT - (boxley) - (1) - April 11, 2005, 08:12:46 PM EDT

Of course - (ben_tilly) - April 11, 2005, 08:58:23 PM EDT

An important distinction is being elided in this view. - (Ashton) - April 12, 2005, 04:32:49 AM EDT

Well, I was finding irony in your statement. - (mmoffitt) - (1) - April 13, 2005, 02:59:38 PM EDT

I just offered this as an example - (Arkadiy) - April 13, 2005, 03:52:19 PM EDT

Correction - (ben_tilly) - (1) - April 11, 2005, 03:06:20 PM EDT

Well, I don't know how many times Mr. Carlin encountered - (Arkadiy) - April 11, 2005, 04:09:24 PM EDT

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