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New Some rather.___depressing.___ IT news...
Per [link|http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/04/09/BUG9EC5LBI1.DTL| this article,
ensconced in the nasty Bizness section!] (to slather on insult to injury, lump youse guys in with Repos everywhere :(

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American universities fall way behind in programming
Weakest result for U.S. in 29-year history of international technology competition


Birgitta Forsberg, Chronicle Staff Writer

Saturday, April 9, 2005

American universities -- once the dominant force in the information technology world -- fell far down the ranks in a widely watched international computer programming contest held this week.

The University of Illinois tied for 17th place in the world finals of the Association for Computing Machinery International Collegiate Programming Contest. That's the weakest result for the United States in the 29-year history of the competition.

This year, the contest was held in Shanghai, where a home team, Shanghai Jiao Tong University, won. Two Russian institutions, Moscow State University and St. Petersburg Institute of Fine Mechanics and Optics, came in second and third. Canada saved North America's honor, as Ontario's University of Waterloo took the No. 4 spot.

In one problem, contestants were asked to calculate the minimum number of cellular base stations needed for a mobile phone to be moved from one city to another with no loss of reception. Competitors were given a map with cities, roads and base stations.

Another problem challenged contestants to determine how much sunlight a Shanghai apartment management company could promise tenants on April 6, 2005. The students were provided information when the sun rises and sets on that date, as well as a drawing of the buildings and apartments.

Asian and Eastern European schools have been scoring increasingly well in the world championship. A U.S. school hasn't won since 1997, when students at Harvey Mudd College proved best.

"After World War II, the U.S. was ahead, as all other countries were recovering from the war," said UC Berkeley computer scientist David Patterson, the association's president. "We had a head start and we were a leader by default. But now they have caught up with us."

Patterson noted that, in many high-scoring countries, governments are in the vanguard of technology research. In the 1970s and 1980s, he said, the Defense Department's research arm, DARPA, invested in academic research and supported work in industrial centers such as Xerox PARC and Bell Labs. That public/private cooperation helped develop the personal computer and the Internet.

"When there is more and more competition in the world, the U.S. government is spending less on research than before," he said.

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Jeez, gals n'guys - it looks as if the pretty Visual Stereo-mp3-assisted letUSdotheheavyliftingForYa GUI approach of the Major Marketer - Took Its Toll; has done to Programmers! what Power Punt has done to {already congenitally sub-standard} Suits.
Can 'synergy' have a negative slope? Yup.

Sorry.

(But then, physics doesn't get off the hook so well, either .. what with Super-Stringy \ufffdber-meta-'physics' currently leading at the Hog-in-trough funding sweepstakes.) Is it a Pandemic. Yet?

I guess it was like this for the thoughtful inhabitants.. when Pizzaro et al began burying Mayan temples under new Mausoleums for Mary and her gang. Ya lets primitives run One important branch of your kultur and pretty soon, that race to the bottom happens with Gusto; all the mob are, I meanI'mLike.. Big Smiles as they flagellate and then flay Hypatia, burn down the libraries and open up a {nother stolen Van-load of} beer. While stealing casks of fission products: must be valuable, if they put That many locks around them - let's see if it goes good with Vodka. Ooooh YEAH! - - -









Condolences. Really :(



'Course I reelyize that, Here we gots Outliers on that now forever flattened Gaussian
..and that Perl Monks (say) jes don't accept acolytes workin on Opalescent Visual 6-D Managers'-Perl, THE MOVIE scripts -- but, that other kind. So far..

And of course, today - most people think that Plagiarisin Billy ackshully WROTE that there Altair GW-Basic\ufffd\ufffd\ufffd\ufffd; never mind their also not ever caring to notice that the smarmy little creep also did his recompile on stolen machine time; probably including any candy bars, purses and paperclips lyin around .. too.
New Y B #1 F U Can't Get $'s 4 IT N D USA?



"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect"   --Mark Twain

"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them."   --Albert Einstein

"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses."   --George W. Bush
Expand Edited by tuberculosis April 9, 2005, 09:16:40 PM EDT
New That "put computers in K-12" really has paid off, hasn't it?
bcnu,
Mikem

Eine Leute. Eine Welt. Ein F\ufffdhrer.
God Bless America.
New OK, now here's my question:
Is this a competition on programming or on computer science? To wit:
In one problem, contestants were asked to calculate the minimum number of cellular base stations needed for a mobile phone to be moved from one city to another with no loss of reception. Competitors were given a map with cities, roads and base stations.
Question: were they also given the algorithms to detemrinecoverage, or did they have to already know how to develop n,k,i trees for routing, etc.

To wit again:
Another problem challenged contestants to determine how much sunlight a Shanghai apartment management company could promise tenants on April 6, 2005. The students were provided information when the sun rises and sets on that date, as well as a drawing of the buildings and apartments.
Again, were all relevant algorithms presented, or were the contestants required to know how to calculate the footcandle loading on a surface based on the angle of the sun at a given time....

If the second answer to each question was the correct answer, then this is hardly a programming or IT competition, but more accurately an engineering or computer science competition. In either case the results are...uh, disappointing...but not necessarily the death knell for US software engineering per se.

(Although I still believe that those of us like Todd should never be unemployed in the US again!)
jb4
shrub\ufffdbish (Am., from shrub + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf. BULLSHIT

New Misguided questions
In one problem, contestants were asked to calculate the minimum number of cellular base stations needed for a mobile phone to be moved from one city to another with no loss of reception. Competitors were given a map with cities, roads and base stations.

Another problem challenged contestants to determine how much sunlight a Shanghai apartment management company could promise tenants on April 6, 2005. The students were provided information when the sun rises and sets on that date, as well as a drawing of the buildings and apartments.

Those problems are very unrealistic. I want to see a programming contest with the following.

Contestants where asked to build an employee management website for internal use. The system is expected to work with two existing propritary systems and integrate with the existing budget system, which consists of a bunch of Excel files. Competitors where given no other information, not told what information about employee's had to be held, what security had to be enforced, nor told what the existing systems they had to work with where. Information about the budget system was provided in the form of a single excel file that has been modified to remove any information that the employees are not allowed to see.

Contestants where asked to build an online shopping system for a small company. Contestants where provided with example screens, complete product listings, a full site diagram, processing flow chart and working examples of the credit card processing system. 5 minutes before the competition deadline they where given a revised specification that required changing the entire system and handeling a different incompatible billing system.

Jay
New Now THAT'S a test of IT prowess!
jb4
shrub\ufffdbish (Am., from shrub + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf. BULLSHIT

New Very realistic, but too big for a contest
As I'm sure you know, holding such a contest would cost millions and we're just not pouring that kind of money into education anymore.



"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect"   --Mark Twain

"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them."   --Albert Einstein

"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses."   --George W. Bush
New W-E-R-E. No H. Get it right. That was *very* hard to read.
New It's the logical outcome of a system which
doesn't treasure it's students..

It's not just programming, by the way.

We knew about the abysmal state of our educational system 15 years ago. What did we expect would happen?


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One of Kozol's books, Savage Inequalities, was so powerful that the editors of Publishers Weekly, a trade magazine in the States, used the front cover of their magazine as an open letter to President Bush challenging him to refute Kozol's book (Strong, 1992).


Ashton is correct - everything depends on everything else.

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Full many a flow'r is born to blush unseen,
And waste its sweetness on the desert air.

Thomas Gray, 1751
     Some rather.___depressing.___ IT news... - (Ashton) - (8)
         Y B #1 F U Can't Get $'s 4 IT N D USA? -NT - (tuberculosis)
         That "put computers in K-12" really has paid off, hasn't it? -NT - (mmoffitt)
         OK, now here's my question: - (jb4)
         Misguided questions - (JayMehaffey) - (3)
             Now THAT'S a test of IT prowess! -NT - (jb4)
             Very realistic, but too big for a contest - (tuberculosis)
             W-E-R-E. No H. Get it right. That was *very* hard to read. -NT - (FuManChu)
         It's the logical outcome of a system which - (dmcarls)

Anyone who would spend $5000 on a laptop is either Todd, or out of his mind.
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