Post #199,114
3/16/05 7:59:41 PM
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There's something weird in the LA water.
[link|http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A41297-2005Mar16.html|Robert Blake acquitted]: LOS ANGELES -- A jury acquitted tough-guy actor Robert Blake of murder Wednesday in the shooting death of his wife four years ago, bringing a stunning end to a case that played out like pulp fiction.
The jury also acquitted Blake of one charge of trying to get someone to kill his wife, but deadlocked on a second solicitation charge. The jury voted 11-1 in favor of acquittal and the judge dismissed the count. Very strange. Cheers, Scott.
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Post #199,116
3/16/05 8:22:59 PM
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Re: There's something weird in the LA water.
Could be that the jury decided that Bonny Lee Bakley was not a person.
Alex
The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. -- Bertrand Russell
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Post #199,154
3/17/05 2:31:39 AM
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Occam says Yes.
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Post #199,186
3/17/05 10:04:10 AM
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Re: There's something weird in the LA water.
apparently the jury wanted evidence for the murder charge not just
a logical inference that he must have done it because of their
bad relationship and the time line of events
did he do it?
wouldn't surprise me
was the jury wrong?
perhaps not
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Post #199,188
3/17/05 10:14:11 AM
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After reading juror's comments
Concur. He MAY have done it, but it wasn't proven.
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Post #199,192
3/17/05 10:21:45 AM
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Ockham tells me he did it.
[link|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_Razor|Occam's Razor].
If the police and prosecutor couldn't prove it to the satisfaction of the jury, then it tells me that the LA police department and/or LA district attorney's office continues to be broken.
:-(
I don't fault the jury, but the system out there continues to have problems that need to be addressed.
Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #199,193
3/17/05 10:26:58 AM
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Ockham tells you he is the most likely to have done it.
Not that he did it
~~~)-Steven----
"I want you to remember that no bastard ever won a war by dying for his country.
He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country..."
General George S. Patton
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Post #199,226
3/17/05 1:26:14 PM
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It always seemed fishy to me from the start
And there was a lot of doubt that he did it. I still don't think he did, I think somehow he was just the most likely suspect and they ran with it.
But hey, who am I to judge, the Jury did it instead.
Brenda
"The people of the world having once been deceived, suspect deceit in truth itself." -- Hitopadesa 600?-1100? AD, Sanskrit Fable From Panchatantr
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Post #199,194
3/17/05 10:29:12 AM
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The police here are too busy . .
. . defending themselves against beating and shooting charges to spend much time on anything else. In other words, it's a typical police department except here we sometimes bring charges.
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Post #234,925
11/18/05 4:44:33 PM
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Blake ordered to pay $30 M to children in civil suit verdict
[link|http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/national/AP-Blake-Wife-Slain.html?hp|NY Times]: BURBANK, Calif. (AP) -- Eight months after Robert Blake was acquitted at a criminal trial of murdering his wife, a civil jury decided Friday the tough-guy actor was behind the slaying, and ordered him to pay her children $30 million in damages.
The jury decided that Blake's handyman, Earle Caldwell, did not collaborate with Blake to kill Bonny Lee Bakley.
After eight days of deliberations, the jury determined by a vote of 10-2 that the former ''Baretta'' star ''intentionally caused the death'' of Bakley, who was gunned down in 2001 in the actor's car outside a restaurant where the couple had just dined. Cheers, Scott.
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Post #234,979
11/18/05 7:48:08 PM
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Sounds suspiciously like the plot
of "Throw Momma from the Train"
Hmmmmm.
Peace,
Amy
"It's never too late to be who you might have been." ~ George Eliot
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Post #235,160
11/19/05 5:17:12 PM
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Sounds suspiciously like Double Jeopardy, from where I sit.
Never mind that "it wasn't a criminal trial" (who gives a fuck about that?): Isn't the risk of having to pay millions, after being taken to court, legal jeopardy?
A court already said he didn't do it, so why the fuck should another court decide the *same* question again? Sure, they can sue him, and have a civil trial if they want to -- but then, in the name of all logic and reason, that trial should only be about the amount of reparations, *given* what the other court already decided on the issue of guilt.
(And yeah, that *does* go for OJ, too.)
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Post #235,164
11/19/05 5:36:57 PM
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My take.
Double Jeopardy is prohibited in the [link|http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/amendment05/|5th Amendment]: [...] nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; [...] There's quite a bit of [link|http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/amendment05/02.html#1|case law about it]. Briefly, a civil trial and a criminal trial are completely different even if they are both based on a common event. Similarly, a federal trial is completely different from a state trial. Under our system, Blake wasn't under double jeopardy because the charges weren't the same. I agree with you, to some extent, that it does seem like a way to punish a person who was found not guilty. I'm not sure there's a good way around that though. Cheers, Scott.
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Post #235,172
11/19/05 6:23:35 PM
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Standard of proof
Criminal trial requires "beyond a reasonable doubt". Civil requires "by a proponderance of the evidence". Basically in the civil trial you're allowed to say, "Yeah, he probably did it." But before putting someone in jail you have to be "certain".
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Post #235,174
11/19/05 6:36:02 PM
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How stupid. Especially from you money-obsessed Yanks.
Expounds the DrooK: Basically in the civil trial you're allowed to say, "Yeah, he probably did it." But before putting someone in jail you have to be "certain". But you "ultra-capitalists", who as a society excel in putting a monetary value on everything... If money can pay for some damage someone caused you, or a life, or years thereof spent wrongfully imprisoned -- if all that can be measured in money, *reimbursed* in money, then doesn't that mean money is (at least) as highly valued as those, in your society? And doesn't it follow, then, that it should be (at least) as well-protected as any of those? Utterly fucking weird; I'd have expected, actually, that the standards for taking someone's *money* would be STRICTER than the standards for taking someone's life or freedom, in Yankia.
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Post #235,181
11/19/05 7:53:38 PM
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We have a loophole
If you don't pay the judgement from a civil trial, then we'll throw you in jail for failure to pay.
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Post #235,215
11/20/05 11:07:32 AM
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not hardly, no debtors prisons here except in the case of
support, then it becomes a criminal offense. If they can get 30 mill good luck, he can keep a house, they cant touch any pensions.
thanx,
bill
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Post #235,245
11/20/05 7:54:40 PM
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Oh really?
And what happens when they attach your wages? You never get the money to try to keep it. Tell me a way to beat that without comitting a felony?
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Post #235,298
11/21/05 9:55:34 AM
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cant attach all your wages, do what my brother does
get smart wife, put business in her name, do all the work and get paid a pittance. No felonies involved The most wages they can garnish is a percentage based on income with a poverty floor they cant touch.
thanx,
bill
"the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli
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Post #235,324
11/21/05 12:10:36 PM
8/21/07 6:28:51 AM
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Do you reckon Blake is pulling in much in wages these days?
"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain
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Post #235,233
11/20/05 3:34:09 PM
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Thanksgiving Thanks from the Los Angeles Times
by Brad Dickson (I moved the thread relative entry to the top) - I'm thankful to live in a city where celebrities standing trial are habitually acquitted with alibis so preposterous Ripley wouldn't entertain them.
- I'm thankful that at its current rate of inflation in 30 years my home should be worth 2.9 billion.
- I'm thankful for mansionization so I can experience what it's like to live next to a dwelling with the size and asthetics of Russia's Hotel Moskva right in Valley Glen (1).
- I'm thankful screenwriters are fighting for residuals when their dialogue is used on ring tones, because $1 million up front with $600,000 on the back end for penning "Scooby-Doo IV" simply isn't adequate compensation.
- I'm thankful to live in a place where the City Council recognizes gay mariages, provided one gay spouse doesn't give the other a lap dance.
- I'm thankful I live in a community that allowed me to dabble in Kabbalah, Scientology, Taoism and Buddhism, and that was just the last week in February.
- I'm thankful Will Rogers never met Michael Eisner. (2)
- I'm thankful I got one of the last 310 area codes before the 424 overlay goes into effect, so I can deceive people who receive my business card into thinking I am important. (3)
- I'm thankful that the constant ringing in my ears turned out to not be tinnitus but rather the wail of car alarms.
- I'm thankful I was able to give up bungee jumping and extreme kayaking - I now secure my adrenaline rush passing through intersections on the Orange Line. (4)
- I'm thankful to live in a city where it's possible to meet the mayor be setting up a TV camera and waiting two minutes. (5)
- I'm thankful I was able to witness Mr. Antonio Villaraigosa's finest hour and it was a pleasure being part of George Lopez's studio audience. (6)
- I'm thankful I can now host Thanksgiving brunch for 300 invited guests essentially in David Geffen's Malibu bacyard. (7)
- I'm thankful the Tutankhamun exhibit is leaving L.A., so once again when you hear the term "Boy King" you will think of Brad Grey.
- I'm thankful for our priorities as witnessed by the 18 scheduled public hearings allowing L.A. denizens to voice our sentiments on the gentrification of the L.A. River, and the fact that my neighborhood may hold one meeting to prepare fo a possible avian flu pandemic. (8)
- I'm thankful for the 200,000 new jobs created in the region this year, even if the lions share of those jobs are for 'gator wranglers. (9)
- I'm thankful for household mold, Lyme disease, supermodel bounty hunters and the Chupacabras, so the Channel 9 news team has something to babble about on the oh-so-rare occasion they're not covering a police pursuit.
- I'm thankful for my health above all, because the King/Drew center is my medical provider (10).
Interpretaiton for those who are't from around here (mine) - Every doctor, lawyer, TV producer and advertising exec. in Los Angeles (that's about 1/3 of the population) knows that the proper floor plan for a new house is the exact size of the lot it's built on, and that anything less than three stories is just a bungalow.
- Michael Eisner runs Disney. Will Rogers is the guy who said he'd never met a man he didn't like.
- 310 was once the area code for the entirety of Los Angeles, but has shrunk to a much smaller downtown area of mostly corporate and government digs.
- The Orange Line is a bus route that emulates a light rail line (Red, Blue, Gold, etc. line). Opening week was a key ingredient in the Paramedic Excercise and Fitness Program.
- Los Angeles' new mayor, Antionio Villaraigosa, is not camera shy, to say the least.
- Mayor Villaraigosa played himself on a comedy show.
- Media mogul David Geffen's Malibu Mansion adjoined an area of public beach which he kept people off of with armed guards. It has been returned to public access by force of law (armed police).
- The Los Angeles River is largely contained by concrete (though the bottom is bare in some areas the sides are concrete everywhere). The plan is to return it to a more natural state and treat some of it as a park but some object to the plan. This is much more urgent than a few million sick birds infecting people who may then die - that doesn't impact anyone's back yard.
- One community lake is infested with a large reptile (13 feet or so) which has been able to elude gator experts from Australia, New Orleans and elsewhere (though one NO gator wrestler did not elude the Los Angeles police on outstanding warrants).
- King/Drew hospital has been badly mismanaged in many ways which is suspected to have resulted in many unneccessary deaths. Despite this it has been kept open because without it a lower income area would have no access to a hospital.
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Post #235,234
11/20/05 4:53:04 PM
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:-) Thanks.
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Post #235,373
11/21/05 4:35:59 PM
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Actually, this one makes sense.
...screenwriters are fighting for residuals when their dialogue is used on ring tones, because $1 million up front with $600,000 on the back end for penning "Scooby-Doo IV" simply isn't adequate compensation. After all, the therapy bills eat up most of it... When somebody asks you to trade your freedom for security, it isn't your security they're talking about.
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