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New Hey, nitterwit - which "taunts" are you gibbering about?
Ashton blithers:
1) Ignore the gurrl taunts;
Since nobody else had spelled it that way (so far in this thread), I'm fairly sure that's my post you're referring to.

Newsflash, gramps: There were no "taunts" there, not outside of your imagination. Please refrain from inflicting your paranoid delusions on me, wouldja?


most guys forget.. how many mistakes were made, learning about so basic a thing as *torque* on bolts (where few used to have a real torque-wrench) plus the miserable inaccessibility of rusted / semi-stripped bolts and the like. If you've never done any wrenching, well.. the lore can't be posted for instant absorption.
Oh, so "most guys forget.." all that? How the fuck do you know that? You're NOT, I hope, going to say, from my post... Because, you blithering old PC buffoon, I explicitly said she was "excused" from having to know this shit, precisely BECAUSE I remembered all that harsdhip and realised she couldn't be expected to learn it from a couple of posts on the Web. How fucking twisted is your reading, that you manage to infer the exact fucking opposite???

(I mean, we've known for a long while that you can't *write* simple clear unambiguous prose to save yer frigging life... But since when can't you even READ it?!?)


Again - if you've never used tools and your SO is also deprived: doubt you should try this without supervision -- but if you do, thou shalt then feel Empowered!
Bah! There you go again, spouting your silly overblown PC-ness all over the place... If her "SO" is "*deprived*"...?!?

Knowing how to fix simple mechanical things is -- or at least, IMO, should be -- a basic *requirement* for one to be regarded as a fully rounded individual in our modern mechanized society. But, Brenda grew up as a girl in the sexist old Yank culture of yore(*), where girls were discouraged from doing that kind of thing -- so *she* is excused from having to know shit like that. You have absolutely no reason, however, to extend that courtesy to her husband.

Shit, don't you remember her description of their creepy control-freak relationship? I went something like: She does the cooking, and in exchange for him being so kind as to eat what she cooks, she gets to do the washing-up... Sure, if they want to live that way, more power to 'em... But in that case, John either lives up to his end of the deal -- and, being The Man, does "manly" things like switching radiators -- or he's proven himself worthless even at his chosen game.




(*): As opposed to the *slightly* less sexist old Yank culture of today... :^>


   [link|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode|Christian R. Conrad]
(I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.)
Your lies are of Microsoftian Scale and boring to boot. Your 'depression' may be the closest you ever come to recognizing truth: you have no 'inferiority complex', you are inferior - and something inside you recognizes this. - [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=71575|Ashton Brown]
New Re: Hey, nitterwit - which "taunts" are you gibbering about?
Newsflash, gramps: There were no "taunts" there, not outside of your imagination. Please refrain from inflicting your paranoid delusions on me, wouldja?


I didn't feel I was being taunted, no problems there. :)

most guys forget.. how many mistakes were made, learning about so basic a thing as *torque* on bolts (where few used to have a real torque-wrench) plus the miserable inaccessibility of rusted / semi-stripped bolts and the like. If you've never done any wrenching, well.. the lore can't be posted for instant absorption.


...Because, you blithering old PC buffoon, I explicitly said she was "excused" from having to know this shit, precisely BECAUSE I remembered all that harsdhip and realised she couldn't be expected to learn it from a couple of posts on the Web. ...


Yep, you did, and knowing it is different than being able to do it. I know how a lot of things are done on and to cars, but I can't accomplish them.

Knowing how to fix simple mechanical things is -- or at least, IMO, should be -- a basic *requirement* for one to be regarded as a fully rounded individual in our modern mechanized society. But, Brenda grew up as a girl in the sexist old Yank culture of yore(*), where girls were discouraged from doing that kind of thing -- so *she* is excused from having to know shit like that. You have absolutely no reason, however, to extend that courtesy to her husband.


Actually, no, Brenda grew up in a guy world. ;) My friends were guys from an early age up through high school. I had few girl friends, and I hung around guys and cars, so I learned a lot about them. My mom did attempt to discourage me, as you said, but I won out in the end. ;)

John knows a few things, I believe, like changing oil, and air filters, tail lights and some other things that are relatively simple (although the new car gave us all a run for our money with it's tail-light!), but he did not grow up in a car-oriented environment... expect maybe to play that wild car game on video... what was that thing called? Man, I used to know! ;)

So John chose to be a computer "geek" so to speak, to read, program, play computer games, and do math as opposed to going into an engine and getting down into the grease. :) Nothing wrong with that, not everyone is interested in cars. As long as you can do the basic maintenance on your car, and you know the basics about keeping it running well, I don't see why just because you are a guy, you should be able to actually do mechanical stuff on it. :)

Shit, don't you remember her description of their creepy control-freak relationship? I went something like: She does the cooking, and in exchange for him being so kind as to eat what she cooks, she gets to do the washing-up... Sure, if they want to live that way, more power to 'em... But in that case, John either lives up to his end of the deal -- and, being The Man, does "manly" things like switching radiators -- or he's proven himself worthless even at his chosen game.


Ah no, somewhere you got confused. I do NOT cook. John cooks. I am a marginal at best cook, who can make very few things, and mostly with the microwave oven. I do the cleaning for the most part, but he loads the dishwasher, and unloads it, and he does his own laundry for the most part (although I start the first load for him), because he wants to. I would be happy to do the dishwasher and laundry instead, but he chooses to do them instead.

John does many manly things, including lifting, we helped my 96 year old Aunt move on Feb 27th, for example, and he does other types of heavy jobs around the house but not cars as a rule. He earns his manly status just fine, thanks.

Brenda



"The people of the world having once been deceived, suspect deceit in truth itself." -- Hitopadesa 600?-1100? AD, Sanskrit Fable From Panchatantr
New Owl, four words you need to learn how to use
"None of your business".

Add a "f...ing" in the middle, and it will even serve you in the Flame forum.
--


And what are we doing when the two most powerful nations on earth -- America and Israel -- stomp on the elementary rights of human beings?

-- letter to the editor from W. Ostermeier, Liechtenstein

New I'll work on that.
But I couldn't let Conrad go around saying things that were wrong. ;)

Me cook? Not on your life! :)

Brenda



"The people of the world having once been deceived, suspect deceit in truth itself." -- Hitopadesa 600?-1100? AD, Sanskrit Fable From Panchatantr
New Oh, BS

Knowing how to fix simple mechanical things is -- or at least, IMO, should be -- a basic *requirement* for one to be regarded as a fully rounded individual in our modern mechanized society.


Or maybe not BS, just silly. Do I wanted be "rounded"? Or do I want to be highly specialized with unique knowledge which enables me to earn enough to pay someone else for THEIR specialized knowledge.

And as the world gets more complex, and those "simple" mechanical things get more and more difficult, there is no way for me to keep up and be competetent in dealing with them. Which means I'll pay twice, first for the tools and parts, and then 2nd for the guy to fix what I broke worse.

I went down this path for fixing a clogged drain. The 1st one was fine, I took apart the trap, all was good. The 2nd one crumbled and pratically retreated into the wall. I was lucky we didn't have to tear out the wall to get to it.
New Nah, neither BS nor even just silly - the problem...
...isn't with my idea of what a fully competent person(*) should be capable of -- I still maintain that one should know how to fix simple mechanical things -- but that far too few mechanical things are simple any more... :-(

What's worse, most of the time shit is quite *unnecessarily* complex; over-complex just for the sake of it. :-( :-(

Or, worst of all, it's built complex because that makes it possible to make it out of cheap plastic in stead of solid metal, saving the manufacturer 2 cents a piece... At the cost of any quality! :-( :-( :-(




(*): My earlier choice of words may not have been entirely succesful: *I* most certainly am a "fully rounded individual" -- but that's more in the direct physical sense of "rounded"... ;^>


   [link|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode|Christian R. Conrad]
(I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.)
Your lies are of Microsoftian Scale and boring to boot. Your 'depression' may be the closest you ever come to recognizing truth: you have no 'inferiority complex', you are inferior - and something inside you recognizes this. - [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=71575|Ashton Brown]
New Oh WTF: Remora - yes, there's the association.
Something in the water over there, of late?
Awww.. the word 'taunts' is sufficient to pierce your thin skin, izzat it? Right through the armor plate donned for each judgmental sermon. One-way armor, what a concept.

'Gramps' too, is it sonny? Cluck. Cluck.
Hmmm.. now if I had some monstrous affliction, why I could count on a nick like Crip, too. Such a banal formula. Do you lately find yourself fondly remembering the days of toilet jokes, too?

Despite all those months you surely spent as acolyte at alt.flame, I believe I have heard most of your repertoire or seen it on kiddie boards of the past, and there haven't been any originals for a long while. Seems you're losing it, sonny.

Your 'gramps'-fixation was last trotted out for a pedantically excessive rip-job on an associate of long tenure here: at least as long as yours. He chose to disappear not long after, perhaps because nobody else chimed in to smack-down the Master of snap-judgments? (Must be a coincidence though, as I doubt he feerd your practised automatic screeds any more than do I.)

I had no dog in that fight, but later regretted that I left your manic savagery unsavaged. My error - it wasn't an aberration: you appear to be stuck in that rut. I know that I preferred hearing some of Doug's lore quite more than watching replays of your argghorithm. In any event, my truculence filter works reliably better than your generator, short-in-tooth amateur.

As to present gratuitous vivisection of Owl and her milieu, methinks the smug nastiness is overdone. Yet again. Entirely irrelevant, what You Think ought to be the social compact twixt these two (were they merely Half as Brilliant as Thee\ufffd) - hers was a simple request for info about fixing a fucking car part, not for illumination about rebuilding their personalities in your image.

And if her SO doesn't know shit about cars.. well, most here don't know shit about electronics either, despite the fact of all your daily drudgery running on it. Which makes you, lately -

A Remora with delusions of psychotherapist cum oracle: still, standards being what they are in the USA - you could get your own AM radio show here (too repetitive to reach the bloviation level required for an FM slot, but practise.. practise..)


HTH,


Gramps

We could strive for an even more retro waste of mouth noises -
My Daddy had a better insurance policy than your Daddy.
And, Your Momma -

New Sigh... *Do* try to get a grip, wouldja?
Ashton needs his meds upped again:
Despite all those months you surely spent as acolyte at alt.flame, I believe I have heard most of your repertoire or seen it on kiddie boards of the past, and there haven't been any originals for a long while. Seems you're losing it, sonny.
That's "grandson" to you, O senile one.


Your 'gramps'-fixation was last trotted out for a pedantically excessive rip-job on an associate of long tenure here: at least as long as yours. He chose to disappear not long after, perhaps because nobody else chimed in to smack-down the Master of snap-judgments? (Must be a coincidence though, as I doubt he feerd your practised automatic screeds any more than do I.)
So make your mind up: Am I the big bad Über-flamer who scared away Doug, or am I an "acolyte of kiddie boards" who is "losing it"? Explain in simple words -- if you know any -- how I can be both.


As to present gratuitous vivisection of Owl and her milieu, methinks the smug nastiness is overdone. Yet again. Entirely irrelevant, what You Think ought to be the social compact twixt these two (were they merely Half as Brilliant as Thee\ufffd) - hers was a simple request for info about fixing a fucking car part, not for illumination about rebuilding their personalities in your image.
At least TRY to keep track of the chronology, if you're not too senile yet: My first post was a simple reply to her request for info about fixing a fucking car part.

Only later, in reply to YOUR previous attack of gibberish, did I provide some illumination about why I even happened to mention that she was a "Gurrl". If YOU had kept your fucking gob shut, then I wouldn't have had to open mine any more -- which I did, only to put the record straight on one minor point: My allusions to Brenda being a woman were no "taunts".

Funny how you seem to have missed that point -- the whole original point of this sub-thread of yours -- entirely in this latest screed, eh?

You *could* of course have answered something short and to the point -- something like, "OK, my mistake" -- but in stead, you chose to go off on a self-contradictory tangent about how I am simultaneously "losing it" as an "acolyte at alt.flame" and yet single-handedly scaring people away from here, big bad psycho-analysing Oracle Remora that I am... So why is it that you chose that course?!?

Wanna know what I think? Naah, didn't think so... But I'll tell you anyway: So you wouldn't have to admit your simple mistake.

Shame, Ash. Shame on you.


   [link|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode|Christian R. Conrad]
(I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.)
Your lies are of Microsoftian Scale and boring to boot. Your 'depression' may be the closest you ever come to recognizing truth: you have no 'inferiority complex', you are inferior - and something inside you recognizes this. - [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=71575|Ashton Brown]
New Re: Sigh... *Do* try to get a grip, wouldja?
Nope - gratuitous rehash re Owlet. Can't tie it to any of my sins of omission or commission; you're just playing shrink again. Deny meaning 'a taunt' all you wish, you still grabbed a convenient excuse to rehash way-past psych judgments.

My simple little mind figures that, Owlet has survived the initial gantlet (in which I also participated) and that ordeal earns her a certain Right not be re-ridiculed casually, for possessing so few of the magniloquent 'talents' of this odd-lot group of sometimes Prima donnas.

That's where you and I disagree - if its simple you're really after.
So make your mind up: Am I the big bad \ufffdber-flamer who scared away Doug, or am I an "acolyte of kiddie boards" who is "losing it"? Explain in simple words -- if you know any -- how I can be both.
I shouldn't be surprised that you cannot imagine how (say..) you might be both toothless and also a litmus of sorts. But since I didn't ask Doug directly his reasons for seceding, and our conversations are rarely about IWE topics, anyway: I can only infer that it mattered to him that, nobody else troubled to interrupt your gramps-tirade, either sanely or sarcastically.

Tacit can seem to signal agreement, and that's why I regret not responding to gut instinct immediately, even if butting-in. You want it in simple words, do you? This is as 'simple' as it gets concerning other people's jelloware. Now parse that to meaninglessness, why not?

As to shut-the-fuck-up: you could do with some practice, just before you're contemplating stuffing someone into another nice simple logical pigeonhole. I sometimes wonder if you actually imagine that human 'reason' is reducible to some fucking logical table; I had thought that you were smarter than that. But then, you're getting older; good reminder for me to watch someday for symptoms like .. oversimplification, too.

But even if you're an aging crank, I still love you. Agap\ufffdistically speaking.:-)



As in: affection, altruism, amity, attachment, benevolence, benignity, bountifulness, caritas, clemency, compassion, fellow feeling, generosity, goodness, goodwill, grace, humaneness, humanity, indulgence, kindliness, lenity, love, magnanimity, mercy

Hmmm.. quite different from 'agape'. A little ' makes all the difference.
     What would YOU do? - (Nightowl) - (28)
         I'd say "ta ta old thing" and buy a BMW E46. -NT - (pwhysall)
         Well, what I'd do . . - (Andrew Grygus)
         You can get a new radiator for ~$350. - (Another Scott) - (2)
             Thanks! - (Nightowl) - (1)
                 horses puckey - (boxley)
         according to www.radiator.com - (boxley) - (5)
             Re: according to www.radiator.com - (Nightowl) - (4)
                 well owl, a smallleak youcan reach is about $7.00 to fix -NT - (boxley) - (3)
                     I doubt it was that small. - (Nightowl) - (2)
                         at 15lbs psi when the motor is running - (boxley) - (1)
                             I've heard of that stuff :) - (Nightowl)
         I'd do it myself - (Steve Lowe)
         First, I'd learn to spell "thermostat". And then, I'd try... - (CRConrad) - (1)
             Thanks for the correct spelling. :) - (Nightowl)
         Re: What would YOU do? - (Ashton) - (10)
             Hey, nitterwit - which "taunts" are you gibbering about? - (CRConrad) - (8)
                 Re: Hey, nitterwit - which "taunts" are you gibbering about? - (Nightowl) - (2)
                     Owl, four words you need to learn how to use - (Arkadiy) - (1)
                         I'll work on that. - (Nightowl)
                 Oh, BS - (broomberg) - (1)
                     Nah, neither BS nor even just silly - the problem... - (CRConrad)
                 Oh WTF: Remora - yes, there's the association. - (Ashton) - (2)
                     Sigh... *Do* try to get a grip, wouldja? - (CRConrad) - (1)
                         Re: Sigh... *Do* try to get a grip, wouldja? - (Ashton)
             Re: What would YOU do? - (Nightowl)
         Decision made :) - (Nightowl) - (2)
             Good for you.... - (gdaustin) - (1)
                 Re: Good for you.... - (Nightowl)

And if I'm just going for effect, I might as well wear a tie. And pants.
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