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Post #196,137 by tuberculosis 2/23/05 5:18:38 PM Reply	I despise that program and don't think anything that "takes a few months to figure out" can be considered useful. Eclipse is an "enabler" for Java development in the same way that AA talks about enablers to alcoholics. Probably better if you just let them hit bottom and regain their senses. "Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein "This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
Post #196,138 by pwhysall 2/23/05 5:23:00 PM Reply	I'm no psychic... ...but I'm getting a definite sense, a clear feeling that you don't like Java. Peter [link\|http://www.ubuntulinux.org\|Ubuntu Linux] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes!
Post #196,147 by tuberculosis 2/23/05 7:22:18 PM Reply	You ought to work in the circus "Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein "This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
Post #196,168 by pwhysall 2/24/05 1:35:41 AM Reply	I come here. Next best thing. Peter [link\|http://www.ubuntulinux.org\|Ubuntu Linux] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes!
Post #196,148 by tuberculosis 2/23/05 7:24:52 PM Reply	I think IDEA is good - I use it when I do Java but I often feel like its an elaborate crutch that I ought not to need. "Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein "This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
Post #196,140 by ben_tilly 2/23/05 5:28:09 PM Reply	ICLRPD (new thread) Created as new thread #196139 titled [link\|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=196139\|ICLRPD] I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
Post #196,220 by johnu 2/24/05 1:04:26 PM Reply	It's all relative I originally started out in VisualAge for Java -- I was very disappointed in Eclipse when it was introduced as the replacement for VAJ. But I also spend a lot of time in both VisualStudio.NET and the PowerBuilder IDE and Eclipse is an amazing tool compared to those.

The joys of .Net - (johnu) - (53) - Feb. 4, 2005, 04:55:37 PM EST

Ick. - (admin) - (18) - Feb. 4, 2005, 05:25:35 PM EST

It warn't me - (jb4) - Feb. 23, 2005, 10:45:57 AM EST

Here != IWETHEY in this case. -NT - (admin) - Feb. 23, 2005, 11:35:24 AM EST

So what's a good java IDE to use? - (drewk) - (15) - Feb. 23, 2005, 11:59:55 AM EST

Intellij IDEA - (admin) - (14) - Feb. 23, 2005, 12:21:31 PM EST

While learning, free is good - (drewk) - (10) - Feb. 23, 2005, 12:26:47 PM EST

Checkout Eclipse - (johnu) - (9) - Feb. 23, 2005, 12:45:16 PM EST

I despise that program - (tuberculosis) - (6) - Feb. 23, 2005, 05:18:38 PM EST

I'm no psychic... - (pwhysall) - (3) - Feb. 23, 2005, 05:23:00 PM EST

You ought to work in the circus -NT - (tuberculosis) - (1) - Feb. 23, 2005, 07:22:18 PM EST

I come here. Next best thing. -NT - (pwhysall) - Feb. 24, 2005, 01:35:41 AM EST

I think IDEA is good - I use it when I do Java - (tuberculosis) - Feb. 23, 2005, 07:24:52 PM EST

ICLRPD (new thread) - (ben_tilly) - Feb. 23, 2005, 05:28:09 PM EST

It's all relative - (johnu) - Feb. 24, 2005, 01:04:26 PM EST

I am such a lUser - (drewk) - (1) - Feb. 24, 2005, 01:07:28 PM EST

Look at the pretty COLORS! -NT - (jb4) - Feb. 25, 2005, 02:40:53 PM EST

Concur - (jb4) - (2) - Feb. 23, 2005, 05:09:23 PM EST

As a rabid, frothing Emacs user - (admin) - Feb. 23, 2005, 05:31:00 PM EST

Another vote for Intellij - (bluke) - Feb. 24, 2005, 05:28:41 AM EST

Listeners - (warmachine) - (1) - Feb. 4, 2005, 07:36:48 PM EST

Re: Listeners - (johnu) - Feb. 4, 2005, 11:08:19 PM EST

Crap and Double Crap -NT - (tuberculosis) - (10) - Feb. 5, 2005, 12:00:27 AM EST

Interesting thing is... - (johnu) - (9) - Feb. 5, 2005, 10:12:02 AM EST

Umm... Squeak? -NT - (folkert) - (1) - Feb. 5, 2005, 10:31:49 AM EST

Re: Umm... "up to date Windows UIs" -NT - (altmann) - Feb. 5, 2005, 04:13:54 PM EST

Looked at Dolphin? - (tuberculosis) - Feb. 6, 2005, 12:02:26 AM EST

Going farther afield - (ben_tilly) - (5) - Feb. 6, 2005, 01:21:06 AM EST

You lose a lot of power though - (tuberculosis) - (4) - Feb. 8, 2005, 01:28:51 PM EST

Re: You lose a lot of power though - (JimWeirich) - (3) - Feb. 8, 2005, 11:08:43 PM EST

Is the parser written in Ruby? - (tuberculosis) - (2) - Feb. 9, 2005, 12:48:20 PM EST

Just like C# and .Net - (mmoffitt) - Feb. 9, 2005, 02:26:55 PM EST

Re: Is the parser written in Ruby? - (JimWeirich) - Feb. 9, 2005, 05:55:31 PM EST

#3 will be possible in C# 2.0 - (altmann) - (1) - Feb. 9, 2005, 06:43:11 PM EST

But it's gonna be great! -NT - (mmoffitt) - Feb. 9, 2005, 06:55:59 PM EST

C# 2.0 - (johnu) - (17) - Feb. 11, 2005, 10:01:14 AM EST

Strong typing bites itself in the gonads once again - (FuManChu) - (2) - Feb. 11, 2005, 11:16:29 AM EST

Any production quality dynamic languages for .NET yet - (johnu) - (1) - Feb. 11, 2005, 11:28:01 AM EST

Not that I've seen. - (FuManChu) - Feb. 11, 2005, 02:26:02 PM EST

Objects to the rescue - (johnu) - (13) - Feb. 11, 2005, 04:42:00 PM EST

Sounds reasonable - (FuManChu) - (6) - Feb. 12, 2005, 02:09:08 PM EST

Wibble, wibble... - (CRConrad) - (4) - Feb. 14, 2005, 04:15:32 AM EST

Semantics - (FuManChu) - (3) - Feb. 14, 2005, 11:17:46 AM EST

A) Almost everything is, when you get down to it; and B)... - (CRConrad) - (2) - Feb. 14, 2005, 05:13:14 PM EST

English is simply too flexible to be used well. - (FuManChu) - (1) - Feb. 15, 2005, 12:54:43 AM EST

Yeah, I know - but it makes for a funny contrast... - (CRConrad) - Feb. 15, 2005, 02:41:54 AM EST

Re: Sounds reasonable - (johnu) - Feb. 15, 2005, 11:11:25 AM EST

Same old bullshit. - (CRConrad) - (5) - Feb. 14, 2005, 03:59:59 AM EST

I second that -NT - (warmachine) - Feb. 14, 2005, 08:57:54 AM EST

Re: Same old bullshit. - (johnu) - (3) - Feb. 15, 2005, 11:08:12 AM EST

And WTF does that have to do with anything? - (CRConrad) - (2) - Feb. 24, 2005, 02:29:35 AM EST

Re: And WTF does that have to do with anything? - (johnu) - (1) - Feb. 24, 2005, 01:02:01 PM EST

OK, so what you originally said was only half the story. - (CRConrad) - Feb. 28, 2005, 09:20:51 AM EST

OT: Inner/outer classes. (new thread) - (pwhysall) - Feb. 14, 2005, 05:27:22 AM EST

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