Post #196,095
2/23/05 12:26:47 PM
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While learning, free is good
Once I'm paid for it, someone else can pay for it.
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Post #196,096
2/23/05 12:45:16 PM
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Checkout Eclipse
It's made me miserable in VS.Net because I miss all the Eclipse features I've come to know and love. Plus you can't beat the price.
It can be a bit overwhelming to beginners. One developer here who used Visual J++ in the past said it took him a few months of using it before he figured it out.
If you're the kind of person who likes to check out menus and pop ups and try stuff out, you'll be fine.
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Post #196,137
2/23/05 5:18:38 PM
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I despise that program
and don't think anything that "takes a few months to figure out" can be considered useful.
Eclipse is an "enabler" for Java development in the same way that AA talks about enablers to alcoholics. Probably better if you just let them hit bottom and regain their senses.
"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain
"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein
"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
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Post #196,138
2/23/05 5:23:00 PM
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I'm no psychic...
...but I'm getting a definite sense, a clear feeling that you don't like Java.
Peter
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Post #196,147
2/23/05 7:22:18 PM
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You ought to work in the circus
"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain
"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein
"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
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Post #196,168
2/24/05 1:35:41 AM
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I come here. Next best thing.
Peter
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Post #196,148
2/23/05 7:24:52 PM
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I think IDEA is good - I use it when I do Java
but I often feel like its an elaborate crutch that I ought not to need.
"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain
"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein
"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
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Post #196,140
2/23/05 5:28:09 PM
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ICLRPD (new thread)
Created as new thread #196139 titled [link|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=196139|ICLRPD]
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
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Post #196,220
2/24/05 1:04:26 PM
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It's all relative
I originally started out in VisualAge for Java -- I was very disappointed in Eclipse when it was introduced as the replacement for VAJ. But I also spend a lot of time in both VisualStudio.NET and the PowerBuilder IDE and Eclipse is an amazing tool compared to those.
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Post #196,221
2/24/05 1:07:28 PM
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I am such a lUser
Installed it last night. My first impression was, "Gosh, that's pretty." When I say "first impression" I mean literally first impression: I was looking at the splash as it launched.
I'm not supposed to be swayed by splash screens. I turn them off. I know they have nothing to do with the product. But gosh, it's pretty.
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Post #196,343
2/25/05 2:40:53 PM
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Look at the pretty COLORS!
jb4
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