I disagree re: #3, but what about #5?

The UK folk have much stricter (and enforced) rules about pretrial via paparazzi. The norm here has been Condit Cuntumely, since I can recall.

I'd think that, to change this attitude is likely impossible; we prefer gossip -and immediately!- much more than we care about the plight of the mere person (less'n it's *Me*) and his/her next chances - trying to survive here.

And if little kids don't explore these consequences first-hand in school: like say, experience that whispering campaign amongst the clique s/he's not a member of?

Well then.. we get Columbines (for the early pissed-off) and we get Condits and (the guy with the satchel, at the Olympics bombing: destroyed and only quite belatedly ... ... apologized to. Remember?)

Guess I conclude that, only a tiny minority of Muricans understand and revere (?) the wisdom within and between the lines of the Constitution. Most just periodically wave it like The Flag, for dramatic effect. Ashcroft, Condit, OJ, the Bill C. 'Impeachment' Show - all demonstrate what Muricans really 'believe' in - simplistic EZ slogans and infotainment, not er Principles.

My hope is that Ashcroft runs with it.. so far and so fast that, even the Mall Shoppers will pause -in mid-CC-retrieval- and look around at the Disappeared* and the disappearing personal Rights. [??]

* we can learn something from Argentina, Chile et al about The Disappeared. (At least the few Muricans who know shit about - even where those countries are located?)

Ashcroft: litmus test for (any) remaining Consciousness.

Ashton

Post #19,528 by bbronson 11/27/01 2:22:44 PM Reply	I disagree re: #3, but what about #5? #5 is not dependent on #3, so even if #3 is thrown out, #5 can still be valid. Brian Bronson
Post #19,532 by bepatient 11/27/01 2:47:42 PM Reply	And #5 is the problem. You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #19,533 by Brandioch 11/27/01 2:54:49 PM Reply	Depends upon how they were "released". If neither the DoJ nor the defense send the names to the media, how will people find out who they are? Now, if the DoJ doesn't do it, what purpose would the defense have to it? Unless............ The detainment goes on and so forth. Then the defense starts talking to the media about problems in the judicial system. BTW, shouldn't there be a ruling or something about law enforcement releasing names of SUSPECTS to the media PRIOR to any trials?
Post #19,541 by Ashton 11/27/01 3:57:05 PM Reply	That last antecedes the Ashcroft Covenant. The UK folk have much stricter (and enforced) rules about pretrial via paparazzi. The norm here has been Condit Cuntumely, since I can recall. I'd think that, to change this attitude is likely impossible; we prefer gossip -and immediately!- much more than we care about the plight of the mere person (less'n it's Me) and his/her next chances - trying to survive here. And if little kids don't explore these consequences first-hand in school: like say, experience that whispering campaign amongst the clique s/he's not a member of? Well then.. we get Columbines (for the early pissed-off) and we get Condits and (the guy with the satchel, at the Olympics bombing: destroyed and only quite belatedly ... ... apologized to. Remember?) Guess I conclude that, only a tiny minority of Muricans understand and revere (?) the wisdom within and between the lines of the Constitution. Most just periodically wave it like The Flag, for dramatic effect. Ashcroft, Condit, OJ, the Bill C. 'Impeachment' Show - all demonstrate what Muricans really 'believe' in - simplistic EZ slogans and infotainment, not er Principles. My hope is that Ashcroft runs with it.. so far and so fast that, even the Mall Shoppers will pause -in mid-CC-retrieval- and look around at the Disappeared* and the disappearing personal Rights. [??] * we can learn something from Argentina, Chile et al about The Disappeared. (At least the few Muricans who know shit about - even where those countries are located?) Ashcroft: litmus test for (any) remaining Consciousness. Ashton

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