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New At a guess, none that actually exists.
Not any more, at least.

I mean, even the remotest African and Native-American stuff should be on the Web nowadays; but Googling for some of the more distinct of the words in that text, yielded absolutely no results. (Albeit sometimes helpful "did you mean...?" suggestions from Google itself; none of them turned out to be very useful, though.)

It's not any Nordic language, including Icelandic or Old Norse. Nor any Germanic language at all, I think -- that is, even the chances that it be Olde Anglic or Ostrogoth are faint, AFAICS. Nor Finnish, Estonian, Lapp or any of the westernmost Fenno-Ugric ones; personally, I'd guess -- just a hunch, mind you -- that it's not one of the eastern ones like Mari or Komi, either. Nor does it look particularly like any Slavic language I've ever heard of. And I'm fairly sure it's not Lithuanian; compare to that military-fora site the Other Scott linked to, and you'll see that a lot of words in that language -- like virtually all names, AFAIK -- end in -as or -us. Not a single one in this text does, though. It could of course be from Central Asia somewhere, or the interior of New Guinea; or the Amazonas, or India, for that matter... But personally, I don't think so.

No, my guess -- only half based on purely linguistic considerations, I admit -- is this: It's a made-up language, a bit like Tolkien's Elven languages. An additional possibility is, it may be made-up as an attempt to reconstruct the proto-Indo-European ancestor language. (If you want to check this hypothesis, get in touch with Ashton; he's into Sanskrit. Ask him for a sample, and try to compare if Sanskrit and Lithuanian bracket this thingy between them.) As I said, I'm basing this not only -- or even mainly -- on those faintest of echoes of half-known ancient languages that I feel somehow resonate in the text, but more on the rest of the site and its author: She(?) calls herself "Methuselah's Daughter", claims to be 3,500 years old, (that's right there in the domain name!), and if you follow the "About - [link|http://www.3500years.com/archives/000724.php|100 Things]" link, you'll see this persona fleshed out quite consistently.

What would be more logical for this ancient flashback, than to write in the language of her youth? :-)


HTH! (?)




P. S: I don't know if I'm hallucinating this, BTW, but I think the rhythm of the second and third stanzas is somewhat reminiscent of The Lord's Prayer. (Dunno if this is of any significance whatsoever, but I thought I'd mention it for completeness' sake.)


   [link|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode|Christian R. Conrad]
(I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.)
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New Since we're talking Old Testament here,
the "ancient language" was Hebrew :)
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New Really?!? Wow... Not like I thought that'd look at all.
So, since you can presumably read it, then -- what were the second and third bits all about? Anything about daily bread, forgiveness, and glory forever, Amen?


   [link|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode|Christian R. Conrad]
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Your lies are of Microsoftian Scale and boring to boot. Your 'depression' may be the closest you ever come to recognizing truth: you have no 'inferiority complex', you are inferior - and something inside you recognizes this. - [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=71575|Ashton Brown]
New I di not say the text is in Hebrew :)
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New Ah, duh again - *that* ancient language, Methuselah's!
But, hey, I must admit I never made it through tohse books of all the begats -- but I did get the distinct impression, the ancient Hebroos (or at least, their chroniclers) were more into fathers and sons, with women seen basically as only a necessary tool on the way.

So, are youy sure it actually says what became of old Oldy's _daughter(s?)_? Maybe she wandered off out of the book -- towards the northwest and discovered Europe, or something. [Edit: Add main point, dickhead!] And maybe she left at a very young age, and learnt the (non-Hebrew) language of the tribes around her, I mean.


   [link|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode|Christian R. Conrad]
(I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.)
Your lies are of Microsoftian Scale and boring to boot. Your 'depression' may be the closest you ever come to recognizing truth: you have no 'inferiority complex', you are inferior - and something inside you recognizes this. - [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=71575|Ashton Brown]
Expand Edited by CRConrad Feb. 15, 2005, 10:54:42 AM EST
New I got derailed at the begats, too
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New Very nice analysis. That was my first gut reaction too.
It's similar enough to known languages that it seems like it should be something, but no good matches are easy to find.

She does also say:
I speak several languages, at least two of which I have mostly forgotten because no one speaks them anymore--not even scholars.

If she's multilingual she would be aware of ways to construct something that looks real.

Cheers,
Scott.
New well now nordic is out of the way
It does resempbe a psuedo language harry harrison used in a Jason DinAlt book. He was stranded on a primitive planet where the first denzien spoke very similar styles. Kranoj a turnip like vegetable for example. Name of the book escapes me.
well here is the apache, doesnt look like that either
[link|http://www.geocities.com/~zybt/dlo.htm|http://www.geocities.com/~zybt/dlo.htm]

regards
daemon
"I am not scared of al Qaeda, I am scared of fucking al Cracker sayeth Chris Rock
New A "psuedo" language?!? That is (almost certainly) Esperanto!
New nope it wasnt esperanto at that level
esperanto is what was spoken to the priest class in that particular novel.
regards,
daemon
"I am not scared of al Qaeda, I am scared of fucking al Cracker sayeth Chris Rock
New OK, whatever... Anyway, speaking of Esperanto -- and Ross...
...would of course fall off his stool gibbering about synchronissicity, if he were here -- I went to see "[link|http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0359013/trivia|Blade Trinity]"[*] with Matsku yesterday, and the language showed up in several places in the movie! Couldn't believe my frigging eyes and ears, at first.



[*]: See points two and six, counting backwards from the end.


   [link|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode|Christian R. Conrad]
(I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.)
Your lies are of Microsoftian Scale and boring to boot. Your 'depression' may be the closest you ever come to recognizing truth: you have no 'inferiority complex', you are inferior - and something inside you recognizes this. - [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=71575|Ashton Brown]
New Geek points++ for recognizing that on hearing it
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New Sanskrit__or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying
and Love the Bomb.

[link|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanskrit| Wikipedia] has more peripheral links than you can sheik a shtik at.. Alas, I'm neither a Sanskrit scholar nor particularly versed in native pronunciations. My impression is that the various Indo languages (like say, Marathi) each have "accents" within their common usage of the basic Sanskrit nouns (especially on metaphysical ideas; there, S. is the lingua franca, nondisputamdum).

None of this Methuselah stuff sounds at all like, (transliterated) say..

Atma, Atma-Prakash, Brahman, Chidakash, Chidaram, Maha-Maya, Premakash, Vyakti / Vyakta ... nor 'sat-chit-ananda'. Note lots of -a endings, also -i. Then too, an A- preceding a concept is its opposite.

Take Vyakta
"Manifest matter, the evolved Nature"
(vi, apart, away, without + akta, passive participle of anj, to anoint)
Hence, 'evolved, anointed product'
[And yes, more than passing familiarity is needed to make sense of That transliteration, too {sigh}]
It ain't Easy cutting through millennia of compacted, edited Pop-tales. We see.

I have no experience of variants in spoken Sanskrit, its grammatical rules esp re verbs. Its utility for most is in its ordered progression of concepts about ummm Difficult (as in bloody-near ineffable) ideas like, say: what 'Reality' might be sorta-like. 'Action' matters, for which we invented verbs .. just aren't useful parts of the package, for most 'users' today.

(Migawd, one could spend a dozen lives just cataloguing the mouth-noises and hen scratches of homo-sap; before we even get to Type Fonts or devolve into stupid \ufffds, followed by 24/7 earbuds connected to TBytes of computer-generated drum sounds.)


moi
     Puzzle. - (pwhysall) - (23)
         Maybe ... - (Another Scott) - (2)
             I should point out... - (pwhysall)
             What about the macron? - (ubernostrum)
         looks like either apache or suomi - (daemon) - (3)
             I refer you to the overnose's post about the macrons. - (pwhysall) - (2)
                 dunno about macrons but a google on - (daemon)
                 Correctamundo; definitely not Finnish. -NT - (CRConrad)
         Written in ... - (folkert)
         At a guess, none that actually exists. - (CRConrad) - (12)
             Since we're talking Old Testament here, - (Arkadiy) - (4)
                 Really?!? Wow... Not like I thought that'd look at all. - (CRConrad) - (3)
                     I di not say the text is in Hebrew :) -NT - (Arkadiy) - (2)
                         Ah, duh again - *that* ancient language, Methuselah's! - (CRConrad) - (1)
                             I got derailed at the begats, too -NT - (drewk)
             Very nice analysis. That was my first gut reaction too. - (Another Scott)
             well now nordic is out of the way - (daemon) - (4)
                 A "psuedo" language?!? That is (almost certainly) Esperanto! -NT - (CRConrad) - (3)
                     nope it wasnt esperanto at that level - (daemon) - (2)
                         OK, whatever... Anyway, speaking of Esperanto -- and Ross... - (CRConrad) - (1)
                             Geek points++ for recognizing that on hearing it -NT - (drewk)
             Sanskrit__or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying - (Ashton)
         new clues, not hindi or variants - (daemon) - (1)
             A Doesn't look like it; B)SOMETHING would show up on Google. -NT - (CRConrad)

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