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New Agree to Disagree
While I still hold my ground, I graciously concede from this debate. Kind of sorry I brought the whole thing up!

Final comments:

1.\tI agree that marketing and cultural expectations play a major role in how we ALL present ourselves. For example, there is a commercial for underarm deodorant that attempts to convince women we need this product because it is important to have well-moisturized underarms. Good luck trying to sell that. But I still refuse to believe that men don\ufffdt respond to our primping and you\ufffdll never convince me otherwise.

2.\tAnd for the record, I rarely wear makeup and spend about 10 minutes primping in front of the mirror. My usual attire is jeans and tennis shoes. My underarms are un-moisturized and I\ufffdm still damn cute. For the most part, I\ufffdm oblivious to what happens on Madison Ave (unless I\ufffdm walking on Madison Ave and am about to get hit by a car)

\ufffdCant we all just get along?\ufffd- Rodney King

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"I think animal testing is a terrible idea; they get all nervous and give the wrong answers."

New Apparently not . . . .
. . Rodney King keeps ending up in jail.
[link|http://www.aaxnet.com|AAx]
New :-) Er... :-/
New Yes, please, new topic
you start.



"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect"   --Mark Twain

"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them."   --Albert Einstein

"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses."   --George W. Bush
New Are You Kidding?!?
I think I started enough already. You go first.
"I think animal testing is a terrible idea; they get all nervous and give the wrong answers."
New Just to warn you ahead of time...
If you see something at the bottom of one of the forum pages here that looks strangely familiar, and in fact you could absolutely just swear that you wrote that somewhere...

Then you're probably right.
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
New LPRDism Spotting!
New What is this LRPD you speak of ?
Seriously- what does it stand for?
"I think animal testing is a terrible idea; they get all nervous and give the wrong answers."
New Little Red Plasma Dot literally
There is also a random comment at the bottom of the page which is also referred to as an LRPD. It is taken from posts and books and Monty Python skits and ...

The serious addicts keep refreshing pages to see the messages change. They are sometimes rather apropos of the post thread above. Sometimes just random.
New Please do not spit too loud, thank you.
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
New And we hug around the weasels.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition

[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
New ObLRPD: Finding him was pure luck.
--
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[link|http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=134485&cid=11233230|"Microsoft Security" is an even better oxymoron than "Miltary Intelligence"]
No matter how much Microsoft supporters whine about how Linux and other operating systems have just as many bugs as their operating systems do, the bottom line is that the serious, gut-wrenching problems happen on Windows, not on Linux, not on Mac OS. -- [link|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1622086,00.asp|source]
New Just slightly more difficult than choosing your parents.
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
New It's administration policy.
Two out of three people wonder where the other one is.
New Yeah, but they were all dying of the plague anyway...
--
[link|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net|greg],
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[link|http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=134485&cid=11233230|"Microsoft Security" is an even better oxymoron than "Miltary Intelligence"]
No matter how much Microsoft supporters whine about how Linux and other operating systems have just as many bugs as their operating systems do, the bottom line is that the serious, gut-wrenching problems happen on Windows, not on Linux, not on Mac OS. -- [link|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1622086,00.asp|source]
New My parents just came back from a planet where the dominant
life form had no bilateral symmetry, and all I got was this stupid F-Shirt.
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[link|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net|greg],
[link|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ iwethey

[link|http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=134485&cid=11233230|"Microsoft Security" is an even better oxymoron than "Miltary Intelligence"]
No matter how much Microsoft supporters whine about how Linux and other operating systems have just as many bugs as their operating systems do, the bottom line is that the serious, gut-wrenching problems happen on Windows, not on Linux, not on Mac OS. -- [link|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1622086,00.asp|source]
New No one wins in an LRPD eating contest.
New OK, you're chuffed. Whatever that means.
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
New Hey - That's mine! YAY!
And Peter, you never responded.
New You got the chainsaw. Now find some meat!
I love this thing...
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
New I'm sure I've heard those last 3 lines in an unsavoury movie
me too:)
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition

[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
New Splat.
New What was it about again? (new thread)
Created as new thread #194759 titled [link|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=194759|What was it about again?]


Peter
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New I'd probably enjoy it, actually.
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
New I've started a couple
[link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=194402|Jump] [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=194403|in] [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=194460|whenever].



"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect"   --Mark Twain

"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them."   --Albert Einstein

"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses."   --George W. Bush
New Re: Are You Kidding?!?
Nicely done arabesque. :-)

You might find [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=194512| this one] to clear air of any remote whiff of piling-on..

I think the right-brain / left-brain artifice is as good a start as any, in trying to fathom the perpetual dullardness of males re females; especially in this culture! where the Puritan roots guarantee the ~Worst in rationalizing of patronizing behavior as, er:
The Natural Order (ie The Story *I* Like) cha cha cha

New Nicely done arabesque. :-)
Yeah, I thought so. :-)
"I think animal testing is a terrible idea; they get all nervous and give the wrong answers."
New Can we be the judges?
and I’m still damn cute. ;-)
A good friend will come and bail you out of jail ... but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!"
New if she posts here
of course she's damn cute. Dont drive em off unescessarily, besides what do you care, chitown is a long way from the twin cities.
regaeds,
daemon
I love her dearly, far beyond any creature I've ever known, and I can prove it, for never once in almost seventy years of married life have I taken her by the throat. Mind you, it's been a near thing once or twice.
George Macdonald Frasier
Clearwater highschool marching band [link|http://www.chstornadoband.org/|http://www.chstornadoband.org/]
New Kewl, posting here
Makes women damn cute.

And men? Extraordinarily handsome and provides 'em with super powers...

Gee, even Marlowe?

[image|/forums/images/warning.png|0|This is sarcasm...]


For evidence read, seems that the men here are "well rounded".... ;-j

And to Bionerd, Welcome. I've enjoy reading your posts. Keep it up, it's great to see someone take on the guys.
A good friend will come and bail you out of jail ... but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!"
New OK, I'm going to back off a little here . . .
. . and admit that a woman might actually want to concentrate on attracting a man. How is that to be done when cosmetics, celulite treatments, fancy hair styles and the fashion industry are all for one-upping other women?

Basics are not to be too scrawney, have good posture, seem pleasant and approachable, and keep your hair as long as she can properly manage it. Forget fancy hair styling, noticeable makeup and perfumes (unless you want to hook a lounge lizard).

The real key though is clothes. Not high fashion or hooker style clothes but clothes you know how to wear and know make you look good - to men. A woman who wears her cloths well can look enticing in anything she selects (because, of course, she selects what she looks good in). For others it may take a little more effort. I guess you learn by ignoring the fashion ads and watching other women.

I remember when I worked for a place that did electronic assembly many long years ago. The assemblers then were a mix of white women (mostly lesbians) and Mexican girls. Let me tell you those Mexicn girls knew how to dress and they dressed to kill, even for work on an assembly line.
[link|http://www.aaxnet.com|AAx]
New One other thing
Outside of Appalachia, American men seem to have an almost universal disdain for snaggleteeth.
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New We've certainly given you a hard start...
I'm fine with agreeing to disagree.

I well remember that just a few years ago when I was in academia I would have taken great offence at the views that I've been describing, and would have argued against them with great force, if not substance.

Hopefully we'll find other discussion topics that generate energy and interest where you'll not feel quite so overwhelmed.

Cheers,
Ben
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
New Not overwhelmed
Pooped
"I think animal testing is a terrible idea; they get all nervous and give the wrong answers."
New I hope it is all in group!
--
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[link|http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=134485&cid=11233230|"Microsoft Security" is an even better oxymoron than "Miltary Intelligence"]
No matter how much Microsoft supporters whine about how Linux and other operating systems have just as many bugs as their operating systems do, the bottom line is that the serious, gut-wrenching problems happen on Windows, not on Linux, not on Mac OS. -- [link|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1622086,00.asp|source]
     Even penguins pay for love - (lincoln) - (129)
         It's universal - (bionerd) - (128)
             or at all if they get paid in advance, evidently :) -NT - (Steven A S) - (2)
                 So it's true - (bionerd) - (1)
                     zero-sum-game - (imric)
             So what you're saying . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (124)
                 As B Russell(?) is reputed to have said: "We have already... - (CRConrad) - (2)
                     Ummm . . . don't think it was Churchill. -NT - (Andrew Grygus)
                     Keep on guessing (last guess: B. Russell) - (ben_tilly)
                 Oh, come on - (bionerd) - (120)
                     Maybe I'm doing something wrong then. - (admin) - (2)
                         :-) -NT - (Another Scott)
                         I don't understand, then - (imric)
                     Oh, the males do a little more than that - (tuberculosis) - (32)
                         Okay, so maybe I was being a little facetious, but - (bionerd) - (30)
                             Yes you do - (drewk) - (18)
                                 Hmmmm - (bionerd) - (17)
                                     Re: Hmmmm - (admin) - (16)
                                         Not all for herself - (ben_tilly) - (15)
                                             You all dont get it - (bionerd) - (14)
                                                 Madison Avenue - (imric) - (4)
                                                     Not mud wrestling? -NT - (bionerd) - (1)
                                                         Well, OK - (imric)
                                                     You're a... - (bepatient) - (1)
                                                         Yeah; I, too, always identify with Oxberger (Candy). -NT - (CRConrad)
                                                 Yes and no - (Steven A S) - (2)
                                                     Bingo. - (inthane-chan) - (1)
                                                         That's why... - (Steven A S)
                                                 No. You don't get it. - (ben_tilly) - (5)
                                                     And Madison Avenue desperately wants to keep it that way. - (Andrew Grygus) - (2)
                                                         I'm sure it was someone here who pointed this out - (drewk) - (1)
                                                             Yeah, it was probably me . . - (Andrew Grygus)
                                                     Re: No. You don't get it. - (Nightowl) - (1)
                                                         Good for you! -NT - (ben_tilly)
                             This convo makes me glad... - (Nightowl)
                             I must also protest this point. - (Andrew Grygus) - (1)
                                 +5, Insightful. - (static)
                             You should read this article. - (inthane-chan) - (5)
                                 Pretty good, but I think he's missing a factor. - (Andrew Grygus)
                                 He mised a point in that article - (daemon)
                                 Wonder why he didn't mention Desmond Morris. - (Another Scott) - (2)
                                     Ask him. - (inthane-chan) - (1)
                                         I'm not that interested. Thanks though. :-) - (Another Scott)
                             No, not you one upping (upping one?) - (tuberculosis) - (1)
                                 I nominate this for an LRPD (new thread) - (lincoln)
                         without the desire to mate there would be dam little bathing -NT - (daemon)
                     Apparently . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (8)
                         You missed my point - (bionerd) - (7)
                             Biologist != Dr Phil - (folkert)
                             Because I'm yanking your chain to see if you bite. -NT - (Andrew Grygus) - (5)
                                 I bite :-) -NT - (bionerd) - (4)
                                     Where? How hard? -NT - (ben_tilly) - (3)
                                         A lady never bites and tells -NT - (bionerd) - (2)
                                             Monica did. -NT - (bepatient) - (1)
                                                 Monica is not a lady -NT - (bionerd)
                     burden of attracting a male? - (ben_tilly) - (74)
                         The 'jerk factor' - (Andrew Grygus) - (72)
                             Unfair! - (bionerd) - (70)
                                 Then you are an exception. - (inthane-chan)
                                 Can't half tell we're primarily a bunch of computer nerds... - (Meerkat) - (2)
                                     Never mind. -NT - (inthane-chan)
                                     Verifiable statement - (ChrisR)
                                 Again, that's what you SAY you want. - (Andrew Grygus) - (5)
                                     God, you're exhausting! -NT - (bionerd) - (4)
                                         Yes, and it's time to let you rest. - (Andrew Grygus) - (3)
                                             Round 2 - (bionerd) - (2)
                                                 Yes - (Andrew Grygus)
                                                 Sorry 'bout that - (drewk)
                                 Oh, they all say that - (tuberculosis)
                                 Reality isn't fair - (ben_tilly) - (52)
                                     3rd Degree - (bionerd) - (49)
                                         OT: Posting tips. - (Another Scott)
                                         This was not intended as hazing - (ben_tilly) - (47)
                                             Yeah, cynical - (Andrew Grygus) - (11)
                                                 That is unusual - (ben_tilly) - (1)
                                                     It ain' I that . . . - (Andrew Grygus)
                                                 prolly - (daemon) - (2)
                                                     And wouldn't they be thinking the same of him? -NT - (drewk) - (1)
                                                         naw, they can see he has "things" - (daemon)
                                                 Re: Yeah, cynical - (bionerd) - (5)
                                                     Yeah, they love stogies though. - (Another Scott) - (4)
                                                         Well, at least Monica does -NT - (bionerd) - (3)
                                                             She's a "special case", I think. -NT - (Another Scott)
                                                             Okay, you're cool now in my book. -NT - (inthane-chan) - (1)
                                                                 Ummm ... odd that's what it takes -NT - (drewk)
                                             Agree to Disagree - (bionerd) - (34)
                                                 Apparently not . . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (1)
                                                     :-) Er... :-/ -NT - (Another Scott)
                                                 Yes, please, new topic - (tuberculosis) - (23)
                                                     Are You Kidding?!? - (bionerd) - (22)
                                                         Just to warn you ahead of time... - (admin) - (18)
                                                             LPRDism Spotting! -NT - (Another Scott) - (17)
                                                                 What is this LRPD you speak of ? - (bionerd) - (16)
                                                                     Little Red Plasma Dot literally - (hnick) - (15)
                                                                         Please do not spit too loud, thank you. -NT - (admin) - (14)
                                                                             And we hug around the weasels. -NT - (bepatient) - (13)
                                                                                 ObLRPD: Finding him was pure luck. -NT - (folkert) - (12)
                                                                                     Just slightly more difficult than choosing your parents. -NT - (admin) - (11)
                                                                                         It's administration policy. -NT - (Meerkat) - (1)
                                                                                             Yeah, but they were all dying of the plague anyway... -NT - (folkert)
                                                                                         My parents just came back from a planet where the dominant - (folkert) - (8)
                                                                                             No one wins in an LRPD eating contest. -NT - (broomberg) - (7)
                                                                                                 OK, you're chuffed. Whatever that means. -NT - (admin) - (5)
                                                                                                     Hey - That's mine! YAY! - (broomberg) - (3)
                                                                                                         You got the chainsaw. Now find some meat! - (admin) - (2)
                                                                                                             I'm sure I've heard those last 3 lines in an unsavoury movie - (bepatient)
                                                                                                             Splat. -NT - (inthane-chan)
                                                                                                     What was it about again? (new thread) - (pwhysall)
                                                                                                 I'd probably enjoy it, actually. -NT - (ben_tilly)
                                                         I've started a couple - (tuberculosis)
                                                         Re: Are You Kidding?!? - (Ashton) - (1)
                                                             Nicely done arabesque. :-) - (bionerd)
                                                 Can we be the judges? - (jbrabeck) - (2)
                                                     if she posts here - (daemon) - (1)
                                                         Kewl, posting here - (jbrabeck)
                                                 OK, I'm going to back off a little here . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (1)
                                                     One other thing - (drewk)
                                                 We've certainly given you a hard start... - (ben_tilly) - (2)
                                                     Not overwhelmed - (bionerd) - (1)
                                                         I hope it is all in group! -NT - (folkert)
                                     Re: Reality isn't fair - (Nightowl) - (1)
                                         It says that you're odd. But we knew that. -NT - (ben_tilly)
                                 I'm not. - (pwhysall) - (5)
                                     Will be happy to accept your proposal - (bionerd) - (4)
                                         Peter's SWMBO probably wouldn't be pleased. - (Another Scott)
                                         And you'd have to go to England - (tuberculosis) - (2)
                                             Some of us still are -NT - (Steven A S)
                                             I went the opposite - (Silverlock)
                             'Latino Cupid' - (Andrew Grygus)
                         sympathy/revenge sex works well for B types - (boxley)

No, m'lord.
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