Post #194,008
2/10/05 2:53:04 PM
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Unfair!
You guys are painting an unfair portrayal of women!
I cant speak for the rest of my gender, but all I'm looking for is a nice guy! Not rich, not gorgeous, not a jerk, not famous. Just plain nice. It doesnt mean I'm settling for less. Geez!!
(And when I find him, I'll let you know)
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"I think animal testing is a terrible idea; they get all nervous and give the wrong answers."
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Post #194,010
2/10/05 3:02:15 PM
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Then you are an exception.
I'm one of those "nice guys" - at least according to all the women I've ever known in my life. And trust me, I've known plenty, most of whom dated jerks, then would come cry on my shoulder when the guy they were dating became abusive towards them/cheated on them/left them over some trivial nonsense - and then when they were done crying, they'd go out and find another jerk to play them over.
Usually, while dating these creeps, they'd say something to me along the lines of "I wish my next boyfriend was more like you."
Not that any of them ever were interested in dating me.
I did finally find somebody who was tired of the jerk treadmill... But it took a while.
"Here at Ortillery Command we have at our disposal hundred megawatt laser beams, mach 20 titanium rods and guided thermonuclear bombs. Some people say we think that we're God. We're not God. We just borrowed his 'SMITE' button for our fire control system."
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Post #194,012
2/10/05 3:05:58 PM
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Can't half tell we're primarily a bunch of computer nerds...
Could be worse, we used to have a member who was completely convinced of the 'What are you doing out of the kitchen? And who let you have shoes?' school of treating women.
IMO, anyone who says "ALL women are..." is going to get it wrong.
Two out of three people wonder where the other one is.
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Post #194,017
2/10/05 3:33:09 PM
2/10/05 3:33:14 PM
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Never mind.
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Post #194,018
2/10/05 3:34:23 PM
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Verifiable statement
IMO, anyone who says "ALL women are..." is going to get it wrong. Scrambling it up a bit, we would get "All men are... wrong" especially when it comes to women (and that could probably be as close to a verifiable absolute as is possible). :-)
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Post #194,016
2/10/05 3:26:31 PM
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Again, that's what you SAY you want.
The proof, however, is in the pudding. When you wind up with a guy who meets that spec we'll be more than happy to accept what you say (Oooops, I almost said something most unkind).
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Post #194,032
2/10/05 5:34:53 PM
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God, you're exhausting!
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"I think animal testing is a terrible idea; they get all nervous and give the wrong answers."
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Post #194,111
2/11/05 6:20:28 AM
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Yes, and it's time to let you rest.
It's becoming clear you don't actually bite even though you say you do, so there's not much sense in poking at you. I wish you the best in finding what you need.
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Post #194,131
2/11/05 9:42:58 AM
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Round 2
Hey, you try being provoked by half a dozen people you barely know and see how fast you can come up witty, insightful responses! Cut me some slack.
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"I think animal testing is a terrible idea; they get all nervous and give the wrong answers."
djmoou85@sbcglobal.net
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Post #194,146
2/11/05 10:44:20 AM
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Yes
You've handled yourself well and haven't lost patience under stress or run away. I wasn't complaining that you didn't bite, but it was 3:30am, so perhaps I didn't phrase my post as well as I might have.
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Post #194,157
2/11/05 11:42:15 AM
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Sorry 'bout that
I wasn't trying to provoke. I guess that's why for years it was taboo to discuss the mating habits of homo sapiens sapiens. When you say, "The female of the species does this for this reason," any nearby females of that species might take exception.
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Post #194,023
2/10/05 4:50:03 PM
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Oh, they all say that
Joe Jackson's "Is she really going out with him" wasn't a hit because of the catchy melody ya know.
But what do we know, we're pretty much all B-level nice guy computer geeks.
"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain
"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein
"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
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Post #194,028
2/10/05 5:20:06 PM
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Reality isn't fair
I'm not portraying a nice picture of either gender. But I'm portraying the most accurate picture that I know. I'm open to contrary evidence. Here are a couple of questions to ask yourself:
- Are there any famous people that you'd sleep with if you got the chance? I'm not asking whether you're trying to land them, but if the opportunity arose to spend time on Brad Pitt's lap or cozied up with Pierce Brosnin, would you turn it down? (If they don't turn your crank, then substitute people who are more to your taste.)
- Looking back on your past boyfriends, what is the nice guy/jerk ratio? What reason do you have to believe that your next guy is going to be better than the last few? (Most of us keep on recreating the same relationship over and over again..)
For most single (and far to many non-single) women that I know, the answers are respectively, "of course" and "uh..." As several have noted, women consistently say one thing and do another. Which should we pay attention to? Cheers, Ben I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
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Post #194,141
2/11/05 10:13:48 AM
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3rd Degree
Here are a couple of questions to ask yourself:
*How come you're only asking me? I dont see you asking the other guys about their sexual preferences. Is this some kind of initiation? Okay, I'll bite.(happy now, Andrew?)
1. Are there any famous people that you'd sleep with if you got the chance? I'm not asking whether you're trying to land them, but if the opportunity arose to spend time on Brad Pitt's lap or cozied up with Pierce Brosnin, would you turn it down? (If they don't turn your crank, then substitute people who are more to your taste.)
*Who doesnt have a list of famous people they'd cozy up with? Brad Pitt? Too pretty. Pierce Brosnin? Overgroomed. I'm oddly attracted to Anderson Cooper. And Heath Ledger. And Keith Urban. And that kid that plays Harry Potter.
2. Looking back on your past boyfriends, what is the nice guy/jerk ratio? What reason do you have to believe that your next guy is going to be better than the last few? (Most of us keep on recreating the same relationship over and over again..)
*And the reason we are attracted to the same type of person over and over again is because it's what we know and we're comfortable with it. Even though it might suck, it's easier to do this than change. Change is hard.
Nice guy/jerk ratio- overall, mostly nice guys. Engineers, mostly. I married someone I thought was a nice guy, and he was even able to pull this persona off for most of our marriage. But when his true self started leaking out it was time to pack my bags.
I'm older now, wiser, and still want a nice B-level guy. Unfortunately I'm a working single mother who has precious little time to devote to finding Mr. B-level.
For most single (and far to many non-single) women that I know, the answers are respectively, "of course" and "uh..." As several have noted, women consistently say one thing and do another. Which should we pay attention to?
*It appears that most of you are married. You bagged a wife- what are you complaining about?
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"I think animal testing is a terrible idea; they get all nervous and give the wrong answers."
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Post #194,145
2/11/05 10:37:38 AM
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OT: Posting tips.
Our admin has added some nice features that make it easy to quote text from messages that you're responding to. You can use the [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=57396|WeeCodes] to easily quote text (and do other HTML goodness, if you check the "Process WeeCodes" item on the New Comment screen), or you can use the "Quote" button down below (though it's a little tricky to get used to). The "[quote]Text I'm quoting[/quote]" set (withoug the quotation marks) is your friend and a good feature to get to know. It results in: Text I'm quoting Ask if you have questions, and experiment in the Test Forum if you're unsure. HTH. Cheers, Scott.
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Post #194,175
2/11/05 12:30:16 PM
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This was not intended as hazing
Here are a couple of questions to ask yourself:
*How come you're only asking me? I dont see you asking the other guys about their sexual preferences. Is this some kind of initiation? Okay, I'll bite.(happy now, Andrew?) Two reasons. First of all I don't see them disagreeing with my characterizations of male and female behaviour. Secondly I happen to know a fair amount about most of them. I don't need to ask about Inthane, for instance, I've met him. And his wife Susan. 1. Are there any famous people that you'd sleep with if you got the chance? I'm not asking whether you're trying to land them, but if the opportunity arose to spend time on Brad Pitt's lap or cozied up with Pierce Brosnin, would you turn it down? (If they don't turn your crank, then substitute people who are more to your taste.)
*Who doesnt have a list of famous people they'd cozy up with? Brad Pitt? Too pretty. Pierce Brosnin? Overgroomed. I'm oddly attracted to Anderson Cooper. And Heath Ledger. And Keith Urban. And that kid that plays Harry Potter.
I meant this as food for your thought, not to answer publically. But since you mention it, isn't it odd that the vast majority of us are likely to wind up in relationships that (at least nominally) are supposed to be exclusive, but most people maintain a list of famous people that they'd go for anyways? Something doesn't quite add up here. As Shaw said, "We've established what you are, madam, now we are just haggling over the price." Fame in our society is just a normal social dynamic taken to an absurd extreme. The way that people react to fame is how they've always reacted to success and status. If there are so many famous people that you'd sleep with, how many non-famous ones could trigger that reaction also? On what terms? That is the A-level strategy that I was referring to above. Most guys can't play it. Plenty try. Those who achieve even moderate success leave a lot of broken hearts. 2. Looking back on your past boyfriends, what is the nice guy/jerk ratio? What reason do you have to believe that your next guy is going to be better than the last few? (Most of us keep on recreating the same relationship over and over again..)
*And the reason we are attracted to the same type of person over and over again is because it's what we know and we're comfortable with it. Even though it might suck, it's easier to do this than change. Change is hard.
That, and also our reactions tend to follow a pattern. To get a different relationship you often don't need a different person, you just need to interact differently with the same person. To get the same relationship you don't need the same person (or even a very similar one), you just need to develop the same interpersonal dynamics. But since your half of the interaction is going to be the same, and everyone has some common reactions, it is easy to train someone else to fill in the missing pieces. Nice guy/jerk ratio- overall, mostly nice guys. Engineers, mostly. I married someone I thought was a nice guy, and he was even able to pull this persona off for most of our marriage. But when his true self started leaking out it was time to pack my bags. I hope you know that that's unusual. It is also possible that many of the guys that you thought were nice were not necessarily nice, but never felt that they had the opportunity to act in a not nice way. That applies to everyone, incidentally. There are very few saints in this world, and very few devils. Frequently what divides good from bad is perceived opportunity. (Machievelli thought that "frequently" in this case is "virtually always".) There is certainly evidence that bad behaviour becomes more common as power imbalances become more extreme. For instance this shows up very starkly in abuse statistics - abusive behaviour is strongly correlated with the victim's dependence on the abuser. (I'm not saying that most guys are abusers - far from it - but what holds for extremes of bad behaviour also holds for milder expressions.) I'm older now, wiser, and still want a nice B-level guy. Unfortunately I'm a working single mother who has precious little time to devote to finding Mr. B-level. Well, good luck. For most single (and far to many non-single) women that I know, the answers are respectively, "of course" and "uh..." As several have noted, women consistently say one thing and do another. Which should we pay attention to?
*It appears that most of you are married. You bagged a wife- what are you complaining about?
Most of us are indeed. Andrew is a notable (and vocally cynical) exception. I've personally been married for 15 years and have no plans to . While some of us are complaining, I'm not. I'm commenting on what the world looks like to me. I like to understand the world. Cheers, Ben I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
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Post #194,221
2/11/05 2:45:01 PM
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Yeah, cynical
Like why do I end up with women who just wnat food and sex and run at a hint of "commitment"? That's not the way it's supposed to be, is it? I thought that was the guy's job.
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Post #194,225
2/11/05 3:27:37 PM
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That is unusual
Though I have to say that a confirmed bachelor who is also a gourmet cook would tend to attract women who just want food and sex...
Cheers,
Ben
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
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Post #194,253
2/11/05 4:43:00 PM
2/11/05 5:01:39 PM
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It ain' I that . . .
. . . confirmed the bachelorhood - they did. I've been pretty neutral on the subject but never indicated I rejected marriage.
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Post #194,285
2/11/05 9:50:25 PM
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prolly
if they are not already into a commited relationship at the age I am guessing they are, they aint worth a shit, exceptions such as slugbug and bio are noted and rare. If they have been alone for a long time, prolly prefer it that way.
regards,
daemon
I love her dearly, far beyond any creature I've ever known, and I can prove it, for never once in almost seventy years of married life have I taken her by the throat. Mind you, it's been a near thing once or twice.
George Macdonald Frasier
Clearwater highschool marching band [link|http://www.chstornadoband.org/|http://www.chstornadoband.org/]
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Post #194,294
2/11/05 10:29:04 PM
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And wouldn't they be thinking the same of him?
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Post #194,297
2/11/05 10:31:54 PM
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naw, they can see he has "things"
but figure its too hard to separate him from them.
regards,
daemon
I love her dearly, far beyond any creature I've ever known, and I can prove it, for never once in almost seventy years of married life have I taken her by the throat. Mind you, it's been a near thing once or twice.
George Macdonald Frasier
Clearwater highschool marching band [link|http://www.chstornadoband.org/|http://www.chstornadoband.org/]
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Post #194,352
2/12/05 11:13:55 AM
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Re: Yeah, cynical
Umm- you dont wear that helmet all the time, do you? I dont think chicks dig helmets.
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Post #194,355
2/12/05 11:21:49 AM
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Yeah, they love stogies though.
AG looks more conventionally civilized [link|http://www.aaxnet.com/images/ajg02a.jpg|here].
:-)
Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #194,363
2/12/05 12:11:26 PM
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Well, at least Monica does
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"I think animal testing is a terrible idea; they get all nervous and give the wrong answers."
djmoou85@sbcglobal.net
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Post #194,364
2/12/05 12:19:29 PM
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She's a "special case", I think.
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Post #194,435
2/13/05 1:03:28 PM
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Okay, you're cool now in my book.
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Post #194,476
2/13/05 8:42:02 PM
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Ummm ... odd that's what it takes
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Post #194,351
2/12/05 11:11:51 AM
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Agree to Disagree
While I still hold my ground, I graciously concede from this debate. Kind of sorry I brought the whole thing up!
Final comments:
1.\tI agree that marketing and cultural expectations play a major role in how we ALL present ourselves. For example, there is a commercial for underarm deodorant that attempts to convince women we need this product because it is important to have well-moisturized underarms. Good luck trying to sell that. But I still refuse to believe that men don\ufffdt respond to our primping and you\ufffdll never convince me otherwise.
2.\tAnd for the record, I rarely wear makeup and spend about 10 minutes primping in front of the mirror. My usual attire is jeans and tennis shoes. My underarms are un-moisturized and I\ufffdm still damn cute. For the most part, I\ufffdm oblivious to what happens on Madison Ave (unless I\ufffdm walking on Madison Ave and am about to get hit by a car)
\ufffdCant we all just get along?\ufffd- Rodney King
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"I think animal testing is a terrible idea; they get all nervous and give the wrong answers."
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Post #194,354
2/12/05 11:21:49 AM
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Apparently not . . . .
. . Rodney King keeps ending up in jail.
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Post #194,356
2/12/05 11:23:09 AM
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:-) Er... :-/
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Post #194,399
2/13/05 1:30:14 AM
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Yes, please, new topic
you start.
"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain
"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein
"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
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Post #194,423
2/13/05 10:09:56 AM
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Are You Kidding?!?
I think I started enough already. You go first.
"I think animal testing is a terrible idea; they get all nervous and give the wrong answers."
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Post #194,442
2/13/05 1:36:11 PM
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Just to warn you ahead of time...
If you see something at the bottom of one of the forum pages here that looks strangely familiar, and in fact you could absolutely just swear that you wrote that somewhere...
Then you're probably right.
Regards,
-scott anderson
"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
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Post #194,445
2/13/05 1:43:10 PM
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LPRDism Spotting!
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Post #194,521
2/14/05 8:56:41 AM
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What is this LRPD you speak of ?
Seriously- what does it stand for?
"I think animal testing is a terrible idea; they get all nervous and give the wrong answers."
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Post #194,525
2/14/05 9:13:52 AM
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Little Red Plasma Dot literally
There is also a random comment at the bottom of the page which is also referred to as an LRPD. It is taken from posts and books and Monty Python skits and ...
The serious addicts keep refreshing pages to see the messages change. They are sometimes rather apropos of the post thread above. Sometimes just random.
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Post #194,536
2/14/05 9:56:14 AM
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Please do not spit too loud, thank you.
Regards,
-scott anderson
"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
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Post #194,542
2/14/05 10:23:27 AM
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And we hug around the weasels.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
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Post #194,560
2/14/05 11:58:14 AM
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ObLRPD: Finding him was pure luck.
-- [link|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net|greg], [link|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ iwethey[link|http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=134485&cid=11233230|"Microsoft Security" is an even better oxymoron than "Miltary Intelligence"] No matter how much Microsoft supporters whine about how Linux and other operating systems have just as many bugs as their operating systems do, the bottom line is that the serious, gut-wrenching problems happen on Windows, not on Linux, not on Mac OS. -- [link|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1622086,00.asp|source]
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Post #194,561
2/14/05 11:59:10 AM
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Just slightly more difficult than choosing your parents.
Regards,
-scott anderson
"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
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Post #194,592
2/14/05 3:05:08 PM
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It's administration policy.
Two out of three people wonder where the other one is.
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Post #194,595
2/14/05 3:12:37 PM
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Yeah, but they were all dying of the plague anyway...
-- [link|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net|greg], [link|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ iwethey[link|http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=134485&cid=11233230|"Microsoft Security" is an even better oxymoron than "Miltary Intelligence"] No matter how much Microsoft supporters whine about how Linux and other operating systems have just as many bugs as their operating systems do, the bottom line is that the serious, gut-wrenching problems happen on Windows, not on Linux, not on Mac OS. -- [link|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1622086,00.asp|source]
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Post #194,594
2/14/05 3:09:50 PM
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My parents just came back from a planet where the dominant
life form had no bilateral symmetry, and all I got was this stupid F-Shirt.
-- [link|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net|greg], [link|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ iwethey[link|http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=134485&cid=11233230|"Microsoft Security" is an even better oxymoron than "Miltary Intelligence"] No matter how much Microsoft supporters whine about how Linux and other operating systems have just as many bugs as their operating systems do, the bottom line is that the serious, gut-wrenching problems happen on Windows, not on Linux, not on Mac OS. -- [link|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1622086,00.asp|source]
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Post #194,674
2/14/05 8:34:13 PM
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No one wins in an LRPD eating contest.
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Post #194,676
2/14/05 8:40:11 PM
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OK, you're chuffed. Whatever that means.
Regards,
-scott anderson
"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
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Post #194,677
2/14/05 8:41:44 PM
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Hey - That's mine! YAY!
And Peter, you never responded.
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Post #194,679
2/14/05 8:43:09 PM
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You got the chainsaw. Now find some meat!
I love this thing...
Regards,
-scott anderson
"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
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Post #194,688
2/14/05 9:15:14 PM
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I'm sure I've heard those last 3 lines in an unsavoury movie
me too:)
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
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Post #194,756
2/15/05 11:07:31 AM
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Splat.
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Post #194,760
2/15/05 11:14:38 AM
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What was it about again? (new thread)
Created as new thread #194759 titled [link|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=194759|What was it about again?]
Peter
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Post #194,686
2/14/05 9:09:42 PM
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I'd probably enjoy it, actually.
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
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Post #194,461
2/13/05 6:52:01 PM
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I've started a couple
[link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=194402|Jump] [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=194403|in] [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=194460|whenever].
"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain
"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein
"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
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Post #194,516
2/14/05 6:48:31 AM
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Re: Are You Kidding?!?
Nicely done arabesque. :-)
You might find [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=194512| this one] to clear air of any remote whiff of piling-on..
I think the right-brain / left-brain artifice is as good a start as any, in trying to fathom the perpetual dullardness of males re females; especially in this culture! where the Puritan roots guarantee the ~Worst in rationalizing of patronizing behavior as, er:
The Natural Order (ie The Story *I* Like) cha cha cha
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Post #194,524
2/14/05 9:05:44 AM
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Nicely done arabesque. :-)
Yeah, I thought so. :-)
"I think animal testing is a terrible idea; they get all nervous and give the wrong answers."
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Post #194,412
2/13/05 9:20:52 AM
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Can we be the judges?
and I’m still damn cute. ;-)
A good friend will come and bail you out of jail ... but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!"
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Post #194,419
2/13/05 9:37:51 AM
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if she posts here
of course she's damn cute. Dont drive em off unescessarily, besides what do you care, chitown is a long way from the twin cities.
regaeds,
daemon
I love her dearly, far beyond any creature I've ever known, and I can prove it, for never once in almost seventy years of married life have I taken her by the throat. Mind you, it's been a near thing once or twice.
George Macdonald Frasier
Clearwater highschool marching band [link|http://www.chstornadoband.org/|http://www.chstornadoband.org/]
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Post #194,421
2/13/05 9:47:38 AM
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Kewl, posting here
Makes women damn cute.
And men? Extraordinarily handsome and provides 'em with super powers...
Gee, even Marlowe?
[image|/forums/images/warning.png|0|This is sarcasm...]
For evidence read, seems that the men here are "well rounded".... ;-j
And to Bionerd, Welcome. I've enjoy reading your posts. Keep it up, it's great to see someone take on the guys.
A good friend will come and bail you out of jail ... but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!"
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Post #194,441
2/13/05 1:35:50 PM
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OK, I'm going to back off a little here . . .
. . and admit that a woman might actually want to concentrate on attracting a man. How is that to be done when cosmetics, celulite treatments, fancy hair styles and the fashion industry are all for one-upping other women?
Basics are not to be too scrawney, have good posture, seem pleasant and approachable, and keep your hair as long as she can properly manage it. Forget fancy hair styling, noticeable makeup and perfumes (unless you want to hook a lounge lizard).
The real key though is clothes. Not high fashion or hooker style clothes but clothes you know how to wear and know make you look good - to men. A woman who wears her cloths well can look enticing in anything she selects (because, of course, she selects what she looks good in). For others it may take a little more effort. I guess you learn by ignoring the fashion ads and watching other women.
I remember when I worked for a place that did electronic assembly many long years ago. The assemblers then were a mix of white women (mostly lesbians) and Mexican girls. Let me tell you those Mexicn girls knew how to dress and they dressed to kill, even for work on an assembly line.
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Post #194,473
2/13/05 8:33:05 PM
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One other thing
Outside of Appalachia, American men seem to have an almost universal disdain for snaggleteeth.
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Post #194,493
2/13/05 11:25:55 PM
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We've certainly given you a hard start...
I'm fine with agreeing to disagree.
I well remember that just a few years ago when I was in academia I would have taken great offence at the views that I've been describing, and would have argued against them with great force, if not substance.
Hopefully we'll find other discussion topics that generate energy and interest where you'll not feel quite so overwhelmed.
Cheers,
Ben
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Post #194,523
2/14/05 9:03:43 AM
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Not overwhelmed
Pooped
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Post #194,562
2/14/05 11:59:25 AM
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I hope it is all in group!
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Post #194,321
2/12/05 1:42:59 AM
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Re: Reality isn't fair
Are there any famous people that you'd sleep with if you got the chance? I'm not asking whether you're trying to land them, but if the opportunity arose to spend time on Brad Pitt's lap or cozied up with Pierce Brosnin, would you turn it down? (If they don't turn your crank, then substitute people who are more to your taste.) Nah, I don't want to sleep with anyone famous. Now meet them, that's a different story. I'd give anything to meet Harrison Ford, or Mario Lemieux, for example, but kiss them? Sleep with them? Nah. Hug maybe, but that's all. I don't even care to see them naked. Looking back on your past boyfriends, what is the nice guy/jerk ratio? What reason do you have to believe that your next guy is going to be better than the last few? (Most of us keep on recreating the same relationship over and over again..) I'm not sure on this one because one guy was a nice guy and became a jerk later... Lesseee... plus I don't know if it counts if they weren't really boyfriends.. I haven't had many. But counting actual boyfriends, (i.e. people I went out with on some sort of regular basis), I had one nice guy, then the abusive guy who acted like a nice guy on the outside then became an abusive jerk, then another nice guy who was rich, but just not my style, and then the jerk ex-fiance. Then I found John, and he is all nice guy, nothing jerky about him. so lets see, that's 3 nice guys and two jerks? What does that say about me, Ben? Nightowl >8#
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Post #194,324
2/12/05 2:05:56 AM
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It says that you're odd. But we knew that.
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
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Post #194,101
2/11/05 2:38:16 AM
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I'm not.
Here's the thing, chaps.
If a woman says you're a nice man, and doesn't shag you, then you may have to face up to the fact that you're ugly/boring/smelly/too fat/too thin/have bad hair/prone to discussing SDRAM in the pub/etc.
I've known a lot of women who got into relationships with idiots. Guess what? Only some of them are still in relationships with idiots. And further guess what? They're idiots, too.
Doesn't stop them being my friends, though. If idiocy was an overriding factor in friendship, we'd all be very lonely.
The attempts of some posters in this thread to paint this as a "woman thing" makes me wonder if we haven't opened some internet time portal to 1975.
In the meantime, marry me. I'm all of those things, and I'm nice.[0]
[0] Not a serious offer. Good for one time only. One offer per household. I may not actually be nice, famous, rich, or gorgeous. This is a joke.
Peter
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Post #194,132
2/11/05 9:45:53 AM
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Will be happy to accept your proposal
Providing you're as nice as you say and dont smell bad.
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Post #194,140
2/11/05 10:07:13 AM
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Peter's SWMBO probably wouldn't be pleased.
SWMBO = She Who Must Be Obeyed.
:-)
Thanks for sticking around. Don't feel needled - many folks here like challenging conversation.
Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #194,216
2/11/05 2:26:41 PM
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And you'd have to go to England
which, given that you're in Michigan, I guess would seem kind of homey weather wise.
Seriously, we're only arguing with you because we're eggheads and like to argue. Please feel free to find a new topic to argue about.
As for mostly being married - funny how that happened. Seems that when we got onto this board most of us were single.
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Post #194,219
2/11/05 2:32:17 PM
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Some of us still are
~~~)-Steven----
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He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country..."
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Post #194,237
2/11/05 4:04:44 PM
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I went the opposite
I was married when I first got with this group and now I'm not. I did notice that I got hit on much more often when I had a wedding ring on*. Of course it probably didn't hurt that I was a manager making a metric buttload of money at the time.
*I was good. Never took up any of the offers till after the wife and I got separated. Now before I was married was a whole different ballgame. There was a time when "sex, drugs and rock and roll" was more than just a saying for me.
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