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Post #193,568 by tuberculosis 2/8/05 10:18:27 AM Reply	Excuse me Just have to do this. "How do you figure abstract thinking has much to do with computer programming?" SLAP "Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein "This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
Post #193,593 by drewk 2/8/05 11:51:24 AM Reply	Since my explanation in the thread didn't clear this up ... I suspect most of the people making a living as programmers today could be described as "digital carpenters." That's not a criticism. Good carpenters deserve the high salarys they get. They produce some beautiful work that most of us could never imagine doing. But they're not usually inventing anything new. Take someone making one-off furniture. Each one is different from the rest. Some pieces can go for tens of thousands of dallars. Some are even considered art. But in the end, you can be fairly unoriginal but highly skilled with the tools of the trade and still make very good money. You (Todd) are working someplace creating new things. You are (I believe) the exception. Why is it an insult to suggest that other people with a similar job description aren't doing anything really creative or abstract? === Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link\|http://DocHope.com\|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats]. [link\|http://DocHope.com\|http://DocHope.com]
Post #193,658 by jake123 2/8/05 1:32:33 PM Reply	Because creative \\= abstract Or should I have used the "!" token to mean not instead? Wouldn't want to offend the Common Use Computer Language ghods. --\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\n* Jack Troughton jake at consultron.ca \n [link\|http://consultron.ca\|http://consultron.ca] [link\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca] \n Kingston Ontario Canada [link\|news://news.consultron.ca\|news://news.consultron.ca] *\n-------------------------------------------------------------------

Newbie - (bionerd) - (94) - Feb. 6, 2005, 12:33:10 PM EST

Welcome. - (pwhysall) - Feb. 6, 2005, 01:12:12 PM EST

Michigan? On the convoy route? - (drewk) - (48) - Feb. 6, 2005, 01:17:51 PM EST

Re: Michigan? On the convoy route? - (bionerd) - (47) - Feb. 6, 2005, 01:47:38 PM EST

He's referring to BeeP bash - (broomberg) - (1) - Feb. 6, 2005, 01:51:38 PM EST

Re: He's referring to BeeP bash - (bionerd) - Feb. 6, 2005, 02:06:10 PM EST

That's a curious thing to say - (drewk) - (17) - Feb. 6, 2005, 01:58:12 PM EST

Re: That's a curious thing to say - (bionerd) - Feb. 6, 2005, 02:19:15 PM EST

Probably means that we don't do actual (real) work. :-) -NT - (ChrisR) - Feb. 6, 2005, 02:24:37 PM EST

That's sad Drook - (broomberg) - (9) - Feb. 6, 2005, 02:47:31 PM EST

I said 90% didn't I? - (drewk) - (8) - Feb. 6, 2005, 03:27:59 PM EST

It is representative of most of the good ones -NT - (ben_tilly) - (7) - Feb. 6, 2005, 03:45:59 PM EST

Woudln't that depend on the job? - (drewk) - (6) - Feb. 6, 2005, 03:59:50 PM EST

Not that often - (ben_tilly) - (5) - Feb. 6, 2005, 05:17:19 PM EST

Getting a little uppity there, aren't you? - (drewk) - (4) - Feb. 6, 2005, 05:22:07 PM EST

See what I said about "some organizations" - (ben_tilly) - (3) - Feb. 6, 2005, 07:03:30 PM EST

tiger teams, had the fortune to work on one once - (daemon) - Feb. 6, 2005, 10:33:49 PM EST

Same thing where I work. -NT - (admin) - Feb. 6, 2005, 10:38:43 PM EST

That's actually my "non-break" job - (FuManChu) - Feb. 7, 2005, 01:49:02 AM EST

Programming is working with abstractions. - (Andrew Grygus) - (1) - Feb. 6, 2005, 08:04:03 PM EST

Okay, at that level I see what you mean -NT - (drewk) - Feb. 6, 2005, 08:15:42 PM EST

Excuse me - (tuberculosis) - (2) - Feb. 8, 2005, 10:18:27 AM EST

Since my explanation in the thread didn't clear this up ... - (drewk) - (1) - Feb. 8, 2005, 11:51:24 AM EST

Because creative \\= abstract - (jake123) - Feb. 8, 2005, 01:32:33 PM EST

Programmers, eh? - (pwhysall) - (14) - Feb. 6, 2005, 02:02:51 PM EST

Where's my soldering iron? - (ChrisR) - (13) - Feb. 6, 2005, 02:16:01 PM EST

Which cable, the power or the ribbon? -NT - (drewk) - (12) - Feb. 6, 2005, 02:19:21 PM EST

All of 'em at once. - (ChrisR) - (11) - Feb. 6, 2005, 06:38:16 PM EST

Quit before the magic smoke comes out though. Can be tricky. -NT - (Another Scott) - (2) - Feb. 6, 2005, 07:13:15 PM EST

Networking engineering requires a good sense of smell. -NT - (ChrisR) - (1) - Feb. 6, 2005, 07:23:07 PM EST

ICLRPD (new thread) - (FuManChu) - Feb. 7, 2005, 01:50:16 AM EST

Hey! That's my specialty! - (ben_tilly) - (7) - Feb. 6, 2005, 07:24:01 PM EST

Have you ever blown an inch-wide hole out of a power supply? -NT - (inthane-chan) - (6) - Feb. 7, 2005, 12:45:36 PM EST

Have you ever shorted across the 220 supply with an ohmeter? -NT - (drewk) - (5) - Feb. 7, 2005, 12:46:56 PM EST

Nope. - (inthane-chan) - (4) - Feb. 7, 2005, 12:51:20 PM EST

I helped blow out half of downtown Palm Springs once - (drewk) - (3) - Feb. 7, 2005, 12:55:56 PM EST

Funniest one here . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (2) - Feb. 7, 2005, 01:08:22 PM EST

Do we know Trudy under another name? -NT - (ben_tilly) - (1) - Feb. 7, 2005, 01:45:13 PM EST

No. - (Andrew Grygus) - Feb. 7, 2005, 02:14:56 PM EST

I'm no programmer either - (bepatient) - (2) - Feb. 6, 2005, 05:16:53 PM EST

Weren't you working on changing that state of affairs? -NT - (FuManChu) - (1) - Feb. 7, 2005, 01:50:48 AM EST

Was thinking about it. - (bepatient) - Feb. 7, 2005, 08:52:22 AM EST

Don't you need abstract thinking in biology? -NT - (Arkadiy) - (8) - Feb. 7, 2005, 10:35:17 AM EST

Re: Don't you need abstract thinking in biology? - (bionerd) - (7) - Feb. 7, 2005, 11:22:07 AM EST

So, can you tell us about your typical time at work? - (Arkadiy) - (6) - Feb. 7, 2005, 11:57:42 AM EST

I thought... - (pwhysall) - (1) - Feb. 7, 2005, 12:01:25 PM EST

Don't forget the biscuits - (drewk) - Feb. 7, 2005, 12:10:59 PM EST

Do you really want to hear about this? - (bionerd) - (3) - Feb. 7, 2005, 12:37:39 PM EST

Suggestion - (drewk) - (2) - Feb. 7, 2005, 12:45:15 PM EST

Been there, done that - (bionerd) - Feb. 7, 2005, 01:13:40 PM EST

I don't imagine she got where she is... - (Steven A S) - Feb. 7, 2005, 01:18:12 PM EST

Welcome - (broomberg) - (25) - Feb. 6, 2005, 01:49:41 PM EST

Re: Welcome - (bionerd) - (24) - Feb. 6, 2005, 02:04:39 PM EST

He has past cause... - (ben_tilly) - (23) - Feb. 6, 2005, 03:42:38 PM EST

No I'm not him...I'm a her - (bionerd) - (21) - Feb. 6, 2005, 04:08:34 PM EST

Cool, there is a slight imbalance in these parts.. -NT - (ben_tilly) - Feb. 6, 2005, 05:18:59 PM EST

Men are parasites ;-) - (ben_tilly) - (19) - Feb. 6, 2005, 10:41:07 PM EST

Re: Men are parasites ;-) - (bionerd) - (18) - Feb. 6, 2005, 11:37:24 PM EST

Why expend more energy? To get more kids. - (ben_tilly) - (17) - Feb. 7, 2005, 12:37:57 AM EST

A couple of reasons. - (Andrew Grygus) - (15) - Feb. 7, 2005, 03:32:36 AM EST

Second point is pretty much pure circular reasoning, AFAICS. - (CRConrad) - (2) - Feb. 7, 2005, 03:55:30 AM EST

We are not talking 'fair' here, we're talking 'survival'. - (Andrew Grygus) - Feb. 7, 2005, 04:29:04 AM EST

Nature is not PC - (ben_tilly) - Feb. 7, 2005, 11:29:02 AM EST

Let me address those reasons for strict sexuality - (ben_tilly) - (11) - Feb. 7, 2005, 11:15:06 AM EST

well if I were a hermaphrodyte I would never leave the house - (daemon) - (10) - Feb. 7, 2005, 06:40:18 PM EST

Don't confuse "hermaphroditic" with "flexible"... -NT - (admin) - Feb. 7, 2005, 06:48:57 PM EST

It works for nematodes - (ben_tilly) - (8) - Feb. 7, 2005, 08:17:54 PM EST

Y'all take all the mystery out of procreation - (ChrisR) - (6) - Feb. 7, 2005, 08:36:32 PM EST

Out drinking? Reading Jung? Casting a horoscope? -NT - (ben_tilly) - Feb. 7, 2005, 08:38:19 PM EST

OT: Where TH is Ross anyway? -NT - (mmoffitt) - (3) - Feb. 8, 2005, 09:41:10 AM EST

Re: OT: Where TH is Ross anyway? - (Yendor) - (1) - Feb. 8, 2005, 09:59:26 AM EST

Ah. Thanks. Missed that. -NT - (mmoffitt) - Feb. 8, 2005, 10:05:38 AM EST

Atlanta, IIRC. ... Oh, you mean. Well, he ran away. :-( -NT - (Another Scott) - Feb. 8, 2005, 10:00:09 AM EST

I agree - (Nightowl) - Feb. 8, 2005, 10:23:20 AM EST

dont have to try, they fight real well (bull sealions) - (daemon) - Feb. 7, 2005, 09:05:16 PM EST

Exactly -NT - (bionerd) - Feb. 7, 2005, 11:24:01 AM EST

Re: He has past cause... - (Nightowl) - Feb. 7, 2005, 01:44:47 AM EST

Hoy - (admin) - (4) - Feb. 6, 2005, 02:44:27 PM EST

Ann Arbor- Heck , no! - (bionerd) - (3) - Feb. 6, 2005, 03:29:03 PM EST

My sister went there for a few years. - (admin) - (1) - Feb. 6, 2005, 04:56:51 PM EST

Cow Tipping- - (bionerd) - Feb. 6, 2005, 05:20:59 PM EST

Moo U - (tuberculosis) - Feb. 8, 2005, 02:49:28 PM EST

Use Debian - (lincoln) - Feb. 6, 2005, 02:47:37 PM EST

welcome, another expert to opine with :-) -NT - (daemon) - Feb. 6, 2005, 03:08:20 PM EST

With a handle like "bionerd"... - (FuManChu) - (7) - Feb. 6, 2005, 03:46:25 PM EST

My score - (bionerd) - (6) - Feb. 6, 2005, 04:16:25 PM EST

Meh, amateur... - (admin) - (4) - Feb. 6, 2005, 04:58:35 PM EST

Wait until you know me better before calling me an amateur - (bionerd) - (3) - Feb. 6, 2005, 05:27:19 PM EST

Amateur. Raw, rank, unadulterated. - (admin) - (2) - Feb. 6, 2005, 05:32:31 PM EST

Nerd God - (bionerd) - (1) - Feb. 6, 2005, 10:42:16 PM EST

Yes. -NT - (admin) - Feb. 6, 2005, 10:43:55 PM EST

Your Overlord speaks: - (folkert) - Feb. 6, 2005, 05:32:56 PM EST

welcome to the party -NT - (cforde) - Feb. 7, 2005, 01:32:04 AM EST

Welcome from another non-IT - (Ashton) - Feb. 7, 2005, 03:59:47 AM EST

Welcome! - (jb4) - Feb. 8, 2005, 06:34:20 PM EST

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