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New "Benefits Offset"
From: [link|http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A59136-2005Feb2.html?sub=AR|http://www.washingto...5Feb2.html?sub=AR]

"If a worker sets aside $1,000 a year for 40 years, and earns 4 percent annually on investments, the account would grow to $99,800 in today's dollars, but the government would keep $78,700 -- or about 80 percent of the account. The remainder, $21,100, would be the worker's."
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"The administration official explained that the "benefit offset" merely ensures that those who choose personal accounts are not given an unfair advantage over the traditional system."

Can't have people getting an unfair advantage, can we?
New Bush following Bill's lead.
"Indeed, the system would ultimately look something like a proposal made by President Bill Clinton, in which the government would have invested Social Security taxes in the stock market.

That idea was criticized by conservatives because the federal government could end up choosing winners and losers in the financial markets."


Can you say, "weasels in the henhouse"?

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As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
 
 
New Part of the opposition's job is to oppose.
Unfortunately, too often knee-jerk opposition takes the place of thoughtful compromise. But it's nothing new.

... won't get fooled again...

Cheers,
Scott.
New But no counter balance
I would consider holding part of that money back resonable if there was some fixed mininum that you couldn't go below no matter how badly you invested. But so far I havn't seen that there is any saftey net for people that choose to take their money out.

As far as I can see, the only reason to get involved in this investment plan is if there is a significant penalty for not doing it. Which is where I expect the cut in benefits for people that don't invest comes in.

Another thing that worries me is how the government will decide what you can invest in and what you can't. There are several different ways I can see that being abused, from the blatent kick backs to get on the investment list to the subtle influencing of the economy based on how you are allowed to invest the money.

Bush also threw a straight up wopper in his speech last night. He said that the money you invest is yours and can be inherited by your family. But the plan being put forth so far doesn't allow that, instead that money is absorbed back into the general fund.

Of course, the offical proposal has not really been put forth, so it's hard to really complain about the details. This seems to be a consistant Bush strategy, hold back the actual details until a majority has been convinced that something must be done and that the general idea is OK. Thus, by the time they make the plan available, people are arguing over the details not the question of the whole plan being a good idea or not.

Jay
New You have to explain that a bit...
The plan is more complicated. Under the proposal, workers could invest as much as 4 percent of their wages subject to Social Security taxation in a limited assortment of stock, bond and mixed-investment funds. But the government would keep and administer that money. Upon retirement, workers would then be given any money that exceeded inflation-adjusted gains over 3 percent.

That money would augment a guaranteed Social Security benefit that would be reduced by a still-undetermined amount from the currently promised benefit.

In effect, the accounts would work more like a loan from the government, to be paid back upon retirement at an inflation-adjusted 3 percent interest rate -- the interest the money would have earned if it had been invested in Treasury bonds, said Peter R. Orszag, a Social Security analyst at the Brookings Institution and a former Clinton White House economist.


In effect, the money you earn (from your money) is any money returned from your investment over 3%.

Apparently, if you don't earn at least 3%, your long term benefits from SS would be reduced.

It's a variation of Clinton's investing in the Stock Market plan.
     SS Plan Thought-out (or not) - (andread) - (20)
         Well, we still get ... - (mmoffitt) - (2)
             Speaking as a 46 year old... - (tjsinclair) - (1)
                 Speaking as a 54 year old... - (hnick)
         According to the article's (unscientific) web poll... - (jb4) - (7)
             Never bet on the intelligence of the majority of Muricans. - (mmoffitt) - (6)
                 I think they'll have to raise it. - (Another Scott) - (5)
                     Pay tax on whole income - (andread)
                     Wait a minute here . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (2)
                         I thought the Growth Fairy did mostly moles and waistlines? -NT - (imric) - (1)
                             Yes, and that explains why . . . - (Andrew Grygus)
                     Big things? New Label: Red Ink Republicans -NT - (tuberculosis)
         "Benefits Offset" - (dmcarls) - (4)
             Bush following Bill's lead. - (imric) - (1)
                 Part of the opposition's job is to oppose. - (Another Scott)
             But no counter balance - (JayMehaffey)
             You have to explain that a bit... - (Simon_Jester)
         Story changing already - (JayMehaffey) - (1)
             Of course, no matter how they set this up now, it can change - (Another Scott)
         Re: SS Plan Thought-out (or not) - (Ashton)
         The "plan" is a sham no matter the details - (Silverlock)

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