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New Never bet on the intelligence of the majority of Muricans.
I watched some senate testimony on this. I've always been a huge advocate of removing the cap from FICA, but have never seen any analysis of what impact that would have on the fund. For me, it didn't matter. It was an issue of fairness (why tax those who can afford the least at a profoundly higher rate than those who can afford it the most - for what is after all, a communal safety net?). But, one of the more interesting things I heard during the testimony was that raising the cap to $140,000 - not eliminating it as I propose - would eliminate 47% of the Fund's shortfall. This wasn't disputed by anyone. Amazing, idn't it? Makes me think that eliminating the cap entirely might be enough all by itself to correct the problems SS faces.

What got Governor Lamb of Colorado in such trouble, imo, was not his statement that the "elderly have a duty to die and get out of the way of the next generation" but had far more to do with his SS reform idea. "Pay back everything everyone paid in, plus interest, and then subject them to means testing." All those assholes that put $30,000 to $40,000 in and took $250,000 or more out probably didn't like that too much. Particularly those who already had several million/billion laying around to begin with.

I've no problem with means testing, but the most important thing to do is eliminate the cap. Hell, I bet if they did that, they'd probably be able to reduce the rate for everybody.
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New I think they'll have to raise it.
I read Bush's SotU speech. He, of course, spun things to make his proposals sound reasonable, but some of them are easily refuted.

His biggest problem is he wants to do big things (Mars, Iraq, Hydrogen, No Child Left Behind, SS, Medicare Drug Benefit, "Tax Reform", etc.) but is unwilling to pay for them. He's convinced that increasing any sort of tax rate will destroy the economy and make things worse. This blindness to simple arithmetic is quite damaging.

The FICA cap made some sense when 10+ people were paying in for each retiree, when benefits weren't automatically indexed to inflation, when there weren't so many disability programs, when people didn't collect benefits for 20+ years, etc. SS needs more money because of demographics and because Congress is petrified of reducing the automatic increases that people get.

There are only a few ways to get more money: 1) Increase the number of people paying in substantially (e.g. larger families, higher immigration), 2) Increase the tax rate, 3) Increase the income subject to tax, 4) Take money from a different source. #2 is probably a non-starter for many. I suspect that 1,3,4 will be part of the solution.

I do think that something needs to be done about the system. I favor slowly increasing the cap and changing the formula for future increases. I think that private accounts are a good idea, but not as part of SS.

Bush wants to change things substantially but refuses to accept that it'll cost money to do so. He can do it for free if we increase immigration by, say, 10 M a year, but the costs will be very large. Otherwise, the money is going to have to come from taxes of some sort, not from some magical Growth Fairy.

My $0.02.

Cheers,
Scott.
New Pay tax on whole income
and have a max benefit regardless of what's paid in
have a means test, no rich collect
put the social in social security

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New Wait a minute here . . .
. . you don't believe in the Growth Fairy? Are you some sort of Commie-Pinko?
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New I thought the Growth Fairy did mostly moles and waistlines?
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As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
 
 
New Yes, and that explains why . . .
. . so many neocons are overweight and ugly. Faith in the Growth Fairy is powerful!
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New Big things? New Label: Red Ink Republicans



"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect"   --Mark Twain

"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them."   --Albert Einstein

"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses."   --George W. Bush
     SS Plan Thought-out (or not) - (andread) - (20)
         Well, we still get ... - (mmoffitt) - (2)
             Speaking as a 46 year old... - (tjsinclair) - (1)
                 Speaking as a 54 year old... - (hnick)
         According to the article's (unscientific) web poll... - (jb4) - (7)
             Never bet on the intelligence of the majority of Muricans. - (mmoffitt) - (6)
                 I think they'll have to raise it. - (Another Scott) - (5)
                     Pay tax on whole income - (andread)
                     Wait a minute here . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (2)
                         I thought the Growth Fairy did mostly moles and waistlines? -NT - (imric) - (1)
                             Yes, and that explains why . . . - (Andrew Grygus)
                     Big things? New Label: Red Ink Republicans -NT - (tuberculosis)
         "Benefits Offset" - (dmcarls) - (4)
             Bush following Bill's lead. - (imric) - (1)
                 Part of the opposition's job is to oppose. - (Another Scott)
             But no counter balance - (JayMehaffey)
             You have to explain that a bit... - (Simon_Jester)
         Story changing already - (JayMehaffey) - (1)
             Of course, no matter how they set this up now, it can change - (Another Scott)
         Re: SS Plan Thought-out (or not) - (Ashton)
         The "plan" is a sham no matter the details - (Silverlock)

I promise you that if I am compelled to turn to the Dark Side on this issue you will come to yearn for the suave ripostes of CRConrad.
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