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95% saw their growth stall to rates at or below the rate of GNP growth
Isn't it eventually a fool's game to evaluate your returns against GNP? Let's say Everything Corp. manages to develop monoploies in every market segment they enter. They abuse their monopolies at every opportunity. They make fabulous profits. Eventually they are the only company in the world.

They are the GNP.

If we take the top 50 corporations in total sales, they must represent a significant portion of the total economy. How long can all the largest corporations expect to outstrip the combined average of all the corporations? It just doesn't make sense to me that we consider growing at merely the same rate as the economy (or the same rate as inflation) to be a negative.
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New GDP and business size
[link|http://www.osha.gov/dcsp/smallbusiness/sb_facts.html|http://www.osha.gov/...ess/sb_facts.html]


Small businesses...

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create more than 50 percent of non-farm private gross domestic product (GDP),
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Found another link. This one has no GDP data, but it has payroll data. Assuming that people don't get paid for nothing, I am taking payroll as substitute for GDP.

[link|http://www.census.gov/csd/susb/susb01.htm|http://www.census.go...d/susb/susb01.htm]







<500 employees
500-999 employees
1,000-2,499 employees
2,500-4,999 employees
5,000-9,999 employees
10,000 or more employees

1,767,546,642
203,984,554
281,952,217
232,662,113
255,249,225
1,247,691,572



Companies below 5,000 employees pay almost twice as much as those above 10,000
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Expand Edited by Arkadiy Jan. 28, 2005, 05:17:21 PM EST
New Red Queen strikes again!
Sometimes, Alice, you have to keep running just to stand still.

You're right that no company can escape economic gravity forever. However that doesn't relieve the pressure to try.

The problem is that large companies are owned by investors, and investors want their investments to perform well. The value of your investment is based on expected future returns. If a company is growing, the expectation is that it will some day make a lot more, and so it is valued highly. If it isn't growing, then the expectation is that you can value it at a fairly boring multiple of current returns.

The transition can be very shocking. From the same report, of those companies that stalled, only 5% lost less than a quarter of their market value. Under 1/3 lost less than half their market value. And over 40% lost over 3/4 of their market value. Generally the size of these drops are fairly rational reactions to the resetting of future expectations for those companies.

Investors notice that kind of drop and apply pressure on management to keep it from happening. Furthermore thanks to stock options, key employees (including executives) tend to also be investors. This results in a very personal motivation to avoid that situation.

Now do you understand why a growing company feels so much pressure to keep on growing?

Cheers,
Ben

PS For this thread, comparing to GNP luckily happened to be appropriate because you can't keep on the path towards world domination unless you manage to beat GNP growth for a very long time. And the rate of failure to do that suggests that nobody is likely to succeed, ever.
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     It can't happen here? - (tuberculosis) - (32)
         Hey, Arkadiy, remember the old definition of Capitalism? - (mmoffitt) - (31)
             Which one? -NT - (Arkadiy) - (30)
                 A socio-economic system in the last stages of decay. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (29)
                     That's not a definition - (Arkadiy) - (28)
                         No Logic???? - (mmoffitt) - (27)
                             No logic. - (Arkadiy) - (3)
                                 His claim is the first sentence. - (mmoffitt) - (2)
                                     It's not a claim - (Arkadiy) - (1)
                                         As Bush's Treasury Secretary John Snow once said, - (mmoffitt)
                             That isn't logic - (ben_tilly) - (22)
                                 It certainly is a logical argument. - (mmoffitt) - (21)
                                     Re: It certainly is a logical argument. - (Booboo) - (9)
                                         Heh. - (mmoffitt) - (8)
                                             perfect example, the beast is decaying - (daemon) - (7)
                                                 Last I looked, it's market share hadn't diminished much. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (6)
                                                     Re: Last I looked, it's market share hadn't diminished much. - (Booboo)
                                                     They just reported best quarter ever - (Arkadiy) - (1)
                                                         Ah yes, the vaunted market knows all. -NT - (mmoffitt)
                                                     But they've stopped growing - (ben_tilly) - (2)
                                                         OMG! They "stopped growing" at 97% market share. Go figure. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (1)
                                                             As pointed out already, no company has come close to that - (ben_tilly)
                                     FYI, here's some of the evidence for my view - (ben_tilly) - (10)
                                         Why doesn't anyone ever point out ... - (drewk) - (2)
                                             GDP and business size - (Arkadiy)
                                             Red Queen strikes again! - (ben_tilly)
                                         Keep drinkin' the Kool-Aid, pal. - (mmoffitt) - (6)
                                             Right now, you're one to talk about kool-aid - (ben_tilly) - (5)
                                                 To elaborate - (drewk) - (4)
                                                     Decent encapsulation - leaving US with, - (Ashton) - (3)
                                                         Nation-states. I've been saying that since high school. - (mmoffitt) - (2)
                                                             *grin* A Rebel! - (imric) - (1)
                                                                 Well, I *am* a tarheel, you know. :-) -NT - (mmoffitt)

That exact plan? GET OUT OF MY HEAD!!!!
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