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New Trying to be the strong one here...
And yet, I'm feeling really depressed or something.

Last week on Tuesday, there was an altercation on my Yahoo group that resulted in my main poster and friend leaving, and another friend leaving and cutting me off. That was kinda a downer by it self, but then this Tuesday, a week later, we got bad news about my cousin Fred, he was diagnosed with terminal lung cancer. I'm not that close to Fred, but I've been almost best friends with his sister Katie, whom I put the family reunion on with last year, and will be again this year, and she took it really badly. To make matters worse, their mother, who is 96 years old, lives in a house Fred owns and rents to her, (but he mortaged it), and now he's looking at a chapter 7 liquidation bankruptcy to pay overdue bills (they were already in serious debt), and get his affairs in order.

This means that Jeffie, their mother, will have to move again, and she hasn't handled the last few moves well. Not only that, she has a bad heart and they haven't told her about Fred's condition yet. They plan to tell her tomorrow but are afraid it will cause her to have a heartattack learning all this bad stuff.

I helped Katie out yesterday, calling various relatives and e-mailing others and such, but for some reason today I'm unexplicably depressed... I mean really down. I haven't told mom or Katie about how I'm feeling, because I've been trying to be the strong one for them, Katie has been crying on the phone to me and even my sister who grew up with Fred, was crying on the phone to me.

Is it normal to get this depressed this quickly over this situation? How could I snap out of it, or should I not try? I'm really confused, to be honest, and feeling really overwhelmed.

Would appreciate any prayers and thoughts sent my way and the family's way, because I am afraid it's all gonna get worse before it gets better. Fred has to make a decision whether to have treatment or not, and he making that decision tomorrow. He watched one of his previous wives die of cancer, and I suspect he won't take the treatment route. They haven't given us any sort of time frame for him either... so everything feels rushed.

Anyway... thanks for letting me vent about this...I thought maybe since I was already a little down about the fight on my group and losing contact with two good friends, that maybe this hit me harder because I was already slightly depressed before it all came about. It's times like this I wish I was still in therapy. ;) Ah well.... this too shall pass?

Brenda
Nightowl >8#



"The people of the world having once been deceived, suspect deceit in truth itself." -- Hitopadesa 600?-1100? AD, Sanskrit Fable From Panchatantr
New Depression is a natural thing when troubles pile on...
especially when you taken other's troubles on top of the ones you own.

Better times will come.
Alex

The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. -- Bertrand Russell
New Every once in a while...
just try to get out and do something that lets you forget about it for a while. Get some exercise or something. the intent is not to try to forget about it entirely, just to take a break from worrying about it for a while.
~~~)-Steven----

"I want you to remember that no bastard ever won a war by dying for his country.
He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country..."

General George S. Patton
New Exercise
My work has been depressing, but I'm trying to commit to a gym visit at least once a week.

I made it Monday. And I hope to get another one in over the weekend. I think it really does improve one's mood. Natural antidepressants.

Glen Austin
Expand Edited by gdaustin Jan. 20, 2005, 09:38:07 PM EST
New I've been learning that one lately.
Lacking energy? Exercise.
Got too much energy? Exercise.
Hungry? Exercise (and drink some water).
Stuffed? Exercise.
Half-asleep? Exercise.
High on caffeine? Exercise.

...und so weiter.
New It's not paranoia if they _are_ out to get you
It's not depression if you have a reason to feel low.

Hang in there.
--


- I was involuntarily self-promoted into management.

[link|http://kerneltrap.org/node/4484|Richard Stallman]

New I hadn't thought of it like that
It's not depression if you have a reason to feel low.


Hang in there.


Thanks, that really helps... I really hadn't thought of it as being legitimately depressed.

I'm going to my parents house this afternoon, and I finally told my mom I was feeling down, and she surprised me by saying it was understandable and okay. Wow...

We're really all waiting on how my 96 year old Aunt takes all this news, so it's kinda a tense waiting game.

Thanks for all the support in here guys.

Brenda






"The people of the world having once been deceived, suspect deceit in truth itself." -- Hitopadesa 600?-1100? AD, Sanskrit Fable From Panchatantr
New Update: It's gotten worse
Apparently the tumor in Fred's lung grew from 7 centimeters to 8.2 centimeters since Monday, so they are rushing him into surgery tomorrow morning to remove the entire affected lung as well as his affected lymph node. There is a risk that his other lung could collapse during the procedure, so prayers are welcome.

Meanwhile, instead of taking tomorrow for me like I had kinda hoped to do, I'm going up to the hospital to be with my cousin Katie, because she's his sister and has become almost my best friend lately. I just want to be able to stay strong through all this for her.

I can fall apart later, after all. ;) Just kidding, but my point is that I'm trying to put her needs first, and I feel like that is where I should be tomorrow morning.

Brenda
Nightowl >8#



"The people of the world having once been deceived, suspect deceit in truth itself." -- Hitopadesa 600?-1100? AD, Sanskrit Fable From Panchatantr
New You should pray *with* her at some point.
Remember to ask, too, of course.

Wade.

Is it enough to love
Is it enough to breathe
Somebody rip my heart out
And leave me here to bleed
 
Is it enough to die
Somebody save my life
I'd rather be Anything but Ordinary
Please

-- "Anything but Ordinary" by Avril Lavigne.

New Good idea
I'll ask her, and I'll offer to if she wants. There are supposed to be 1 or 2 preachers there this mornnig too, so they might be better qualified to pray with the family, but I can certainly offer or try.

I'm just checking in here today before heading to the hospital. I had to let my bird out and feed him, and grab some breakfast, so I figured I'd check things out online while doing that.

Brenda



"The people of the world having once been deceived, suspect deceit in truth itself." -- Hitopadesa 600?-1100? AD, Sanskrit Fable From Panchatantr
New Who cares about "qualified"?
That's like saying that you shouldn't be a friend because there are therapists around and they are more "qualified". We'd all have few friends if we took that attitude!

If the only qualification that you have is that she knows you are sincere and she would appreciate the gesture, then that is the only qualification that you need.

Cheers,
Ben
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
New Good point -- update on my cousin
I'm just not very good at praying out loud in public, but it all worked out, at the point I would have asked her anyway, the preacher was there from her church and we all prayed together in a circle.

And here's an update how it went.

First, we had the wrong information, they didn't actually remove the
lung with the tumor today, instead they removed the lymph node and did
a biopsy on that. However, they ran into some complications when he
started bleeding and had to reopen him (they had already started
closing), and discovered that an artery attached to it was bleeding.
They had to make a longer incision than they had intended in order to
repair that and then closed him up the second time.

His family didn't get to see him for a long time because they had him
on the ventilator and he was so sedated and disoriented and scared
that when they tried to wake him to take him off the ventilator, he
would start to thrash around and grab at the tubes in his chest and
throat. So they had to keep working to do this, and finally came out
and told Debra his wife the situation. They let her in to see him and
she was able to get him to calm down and lie still and they were able
to take him off the ventilator around 2:30 or so, I think. Then he was
moved up to ICU and it was still some time before family members were
able to visit him 2 at a time, sometimes around 4:00 or so. (I'm
guessing at these times because I wasn't really focusing on time a lot
today).

Anyway he'll be in ICU overnight at least and will be staying in the
hospital at least a couple of days. He's stable and was resting
comfortably last I heard. So please keep him in your prayers.

This was a first for me, I've never been in the hospital during an entire surgery procedure (before and after), cause mom always wanted me to be home and acting as Home Base for people to call to. So I had quite an experience, but I'm glad I did it and now I'm exhausted... I was there from 9 something till 5 something.

Anyway, thank you for your support and I'll keep you posted.

Brenda
Nightowl >8#




"The people of the world having once been deceived, suspect deceit in truth itself." -- Hitopadesa 600?-1100? AD, Sanskrit Fable From Panchatantr
New You're doing fine...
...really!

You've already shown you have enough strength. Now, center your thoughts, focus on your successes (e.g. staying in the hospital that long), breathe!, cry a bit if you feel like it, and carry on....
jb4
shrub\ufffdbish (Am., from shrub + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf. BULLSHIT

New Thanks, support is welcome
As it's been really nuts. His daughter was sneaking outside and drinking all day Friday, only we didn't realize it, (she's about my age), and she became beligerent and started trying to harass the receptionist to let her into the recovery room when she wasn't supposed to be there. I was at a loss how to help, it finally took my aunt and sister to corral her when she bolted for the door trying to get inside the recovery area, and then she broke down and cried hysterically.

I know it's silly, but that part almost really got to me, because she was crying she wanted to see her daddy, and well, she's my age and I wondered how I would be feeling... if it were my dad, although I wouldn't have been drinking, that's for sure.

Then Saturday I stayed home from the hospital and tried to take a little break, only to have my other aunt from Florida call me up and harrass me because I wasn't at the hospital finding out everything for everyone. I wanted to go off on her, I wanted to hang up on her, I was in the middle of watching something with my husband, and I told her I was taking a break today and would get back to people later... she really hurt my feelings by saying, break? What did I need a break for, I had no kids and no job, I didn't need no break....

It took all my willpower not to cuss her out or hang up. Instead I offered her the hospital number, and then she told me to call the hospital for her, because it was long distance for her. So I gritted my teeth, hung up, and said ok, called the hospital, didn't get anyone, so I had to call my sister's cell phone which is long distance (Illinois), and then talked to Katie. Then I called the aunt in Florida back and told her everything....

Then get this... the aunt in Florida THEN CALLED THE HOSPITAL herself to find out for herself...... What the F*ck? (Breathe...)

Anyway, then Saturday it got worse yet, my dad and Fred's son, Howard, (who is also around my age and his dad Fred is the one who had the surgery), got into a fight over George Bush, and well... Dad almost decked him, and my dad is 82 years old... Made me glad I wasn't there for that show.

Not sure on what's up today. Fred may go home, but he's still losing blood, he lost 2 units during sugery and 1 over night Friday to Sat, and then 3 more between Sat and Sunday. Now they're saying he's anemic and the cancer might be eating up the blood.

I am trying to take most of today for myself, relax, read my papers, etc, and I started by sleeping for almost ten hours between last night and today.

Anyway, I appreciate the support... and I'm beginning to remember why I started staying away from this batch of family for so long.

Brenda



"The people of the world having once been deceived, suspect deceit in truth itself." -- Hitopadesa 600?-1100? AD, Sanskrit Fable From Panchatantr
Expand Edited by Nightowl Jan. 24, 2005, 01:09:03 PM EST
New It is not too late to realize that,
[Under any circumstances - not just this one] You are never *required* to eat the massive negativity of an utterly self-centered, insensitive sanctimonious clod: on-line, on-fone or face >|< Face.

One need not swear at such; Hell - that's the emotional mindset such a one Lives in, with the hope of spreading it. Why give them what They want? (What does the sadist do to the masochist? Why, nothing at all..

A simple, "I have no more time to talk to you now. I may ... ?? ... call you back. Sometime."
OR: a thousand others.

(Nobody Ever likes to feel like a doormat; and you needn't, either. Only by allowing it to happen - can that 'happen'.)

Illness, funerals - bring out the character of accidental 'relatives'; sometimes one's mental health requires the permanent cutting-off of contact with the toxic. Y'know?


Ashton
New Re: It is not too late to realize that,
[Under any circumstances - not just this one] You are never *required* to eat the massive negativity of an utterly self-centered, insensitive sanctimonious clod: on-line, on-fone or face >|< Face.


I realize that Ashton, I was just trying to take into consideration how upset everyone is in the family, and even though she hurt my feelings pretty bad, I tried to tell myself she didn't really mean it.

One need not swear at such; Hell - that's the emotional mindset such a one Lives in, with the hope of spreading it. Why give them what They want? (What does the sadist do to the masochist? Why, nothing at all..


Exactly, so I didn't swear. I was just at the point where it seemed like it might feel good to do. ;) Instead I stayed calm and reasonable.

A simple, "I have no more time to talk to you now. I may ... ?? ... call you back. Sometime."


I did try that, I tried several tactics, including I'll call them later and get back to you, but short of doing what she wanted, nothing was going to make her happy... so I decided doing what she wanted at least in this case, was the best course of action. However, I don't want to start a pattern, so next time I may find another way out of it, if it reoccurrs.

(Nobody Ever likes to feel like a doormat; and you needn't, either. Only by allowing it to happen - can that 'happen'.)


I realize that too, and she wasn't "causing me to feel guilty" I was letting her make me feel guilty... I know that also. And maybe I did feel a little guilty for not being back up at the hospital Saturday, but man, I had barely coped on Friday, and really didn't need more stress Saturday. So I allowed her to give me a guilt trip, because it was niggling at me already about my choice not to go.

Illness, funerals - bring out the character of accidental 'relatives'; sometimes one's mental health requires the permanent cutting-off of contact with the toxic. Y'know?


Well, I can't permanently cut off the relatives, as I'm kinda what you'd call the Family Information Source, being the one who puts out the monthly letter, the Family report, and runs the Yahoo group for them. But yeah, I do intend not to call this particular Aunt for awhile, if I can avoid it. And I also have Caller ID, so I can "avoid" her. ;)

Thanks for the support, Ashton.

Brenda




"The people of the world having once been deceived, suspect deceit in truth itself." -- Hitopadesa 600?-1100? AD, Sanskrit Fable From Panchatantr
New The latest on my Uncle
He went home yesterday, they determined he is losing blood because the cancer eats it up, so they will probably have to transfuse him some, I guess.

The good part is that he went home, plus they determined that the cancer is the more treatable non small-cell cancer, and the prognosis is good with chemo and or radiation.

The bad part is that he went home to his house, and upstairs to his bedroom, so he can't come down the stairs for several days, and his mother, Jeffie, who is 96, can't go up the stairs. So they still haven't told her he has cancer, and now it has to wait until he can get down the stairs.

But they asked the dr's opinion, and he explained that the biggest problem cancer patients have besides the disease itself, is the feeling that they have no control over their lives anymore, or control of anything. So he said it was imperative to let Fred tell Jeffie himself, so that he had control of at least that aspect.

Katie, his sister at least calmed most of the relatives, including the aunt from Florida, citing what the doctor said, and telling her that they were going to abide by it. Since it came from the doctor, a higher authority, the relatives have stopped putting the pressure on us to get Jeffie told with or without Fred.

Now we wait I guess... I'm just glad I'm getting a breather from all the relatives pressure. :)

Brenda



"The people of the world having once been deceived, suspect deceit in truth itself." -- Hitopadesa 600?-1100? AD, Sanskrit Fable From Panchatantr
     Trying to be the strong one here... - (Nightowl) - (16)
         Depression is a natural thing when troubles pile on... - (a6l6e6x)
         Every once in a while... - (Steven A S) - (2)
             Exercise - (gdaustin) - (1)
                 I've been learning that one lately. - (FuManChu)
         It's not paranoia if they _are_ out to get you - (Arkadiy) - (1)
             I hadn't thought of it like that - (Nightowl)
         Update: It's gotten worse - (Nightowl) - (8)
             You should pray *with* her at some point. - (static) - (7)
                 Good idea - (Nightowl) - (6)
                     Who cares about "qualified"? - (ben_tilly) - (5)
                         Good point -- update on my cousin - (Nightowl) - (4)
                             You're doing fine... - (jb4) - (3)
                                 Thanks, support is welcome - (Nightowl) - (2)
                                     It is not too late to realize that, - (Ashton) - (1)
                                         Re: It is not too late to realize that, - (Nightowl)
         The latest on my Uncle - (Nightowl)

I'd interracially copulate with an alien at this point, and take it to breakfast even.
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