I wonder what the wake turbulence will be like.

Post #190,562 by mmoffitt 1/18/05 8:11:10 AM Reply	I wonder what the wake turbulence will be like. I also wonder about the need for such an aircraft given that so many flights are cancelled because there aren't enough passengers to pay for gas. I'm gonna hafta look up the tech specs on that thing - I'll bet they're impressive. And, any wagers on how long until the first one is fitted for cargo? bcnu, Mikem Eine Leute. Eine Welt. Ein F\ufffdhrer. (Just trying to be accepted in the New America)
Post #190,571 by Another Scott 1/18/05 9:24:55 AM Reply	FedEx and UPS are customers. [link\|http://www.airbus.com/media/airbus_freighters.asp\|http://www.airbus.co...us_freighters.asp] Cheers, Scott.
Post #190,587 by folkert 1/18/05 12:44:54 PM Reply	Yikes! The A380F, will can lift a payload of 330,000 lbs with a full fuel load. Flying over 10,400 km./5,600 nm. And other Versions are yet to come that are LONGER for more Cargo space and Shorter for more payload weight capacity. Right now the C5 Galaxy can only lift a payload of 204,904 lbs with a full fuel load. And Flying only about 2,650 nm (without dipping into emergency reserve) Does anyone see the possibilities here? Sure the A400M is a new Cargo Freighter... but only the Equivalent of a C140. Hmm. -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* [link\|http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=134485&cid=11233230\|"Microsoft Security" is an even better oxymoron than "Miltary Intelligence"] No matter how much Microsoft supporters whine about how Linux and other operating systems have just as many bugs as their operating systems do, the bottom line is that the serious, gut-wrenching problems happen on Windows, not on Linux, not on Mac OS. -- [link\|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1622086,00.asp\|source]
Post #190,622 by Ashton 1/18/05 4:39:52 PM Reply	Why.. you could take a Regiment all the way to N. Korea
Post #190,627 by jbrabeck 1/18/05 4:56:42 PM Reply	And one SAM would eliminate said regiment. A good friend will come and bail you out of jail ... but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!"
Post #190,631 by Another Scott 1/18/05 5:05:39 PM Reply	The Stealth A380 is planned for Version 2.0. ;-j Cheers, Scott.
Post #190,636 by Ashton 1/18/05 5:25:39 PM Reply	You! Sillies...!
Post #190,672 by saganista 1/18/05 7:28:03 PM Reply	Re: Why.. you could take a Regiment all the way to N. Korea I'd just like to say that I work on the 380 wings at Aerospace in Broughton, UK. It is an impressive piece of engineering.
Post #190,674 by Another Scott 1/18/05 7:36:59 PM Reply	Welcome! Tell us more. Any composites used? How does it compare (in any way you'd like) to the [link\|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spruce_Goose\|H-4 Hercules]? Cheers, Scott.
Post #190,684 by saganista 1/18/05 8:40:33 PM Reply	Re: Welcome! Tell us more. As far as I'm aware the A380 is about 25% composites in total. Don't ask me the exact make up, I'm just an electrical grease monkey. The wing itself feels very slick to the touch, more than the 330. A comparison with the Hercules? I don't I can make any meaningful comparison. I've never been inside a Herc. (Come to that, I've never been inside a 380 - yet)
Post #190,741 by mmoffitt 1/19/05 8:37:05 AM Reply	I assume this is fly-by-wire. Can you turn it off in this model? Or is it like the A320's and you can't? (I could look this up, perhaps, but hey, we've got an expert! And add my WELCOME! to the bunch). bcnu, Mikem Eine Leute. Eine Welt. Ein F\ufffdhrer. (Just trying to be accepted in the New America)
Post #190,853 by saganista 1/19/05 6:02:20 PM Reply	Re: I assume this is fly-by-wire. Yes, it is. The FBW system is operational 100% of the time with high redundancy. The hydraulics look a little different too. Apparently, talking to one of my aircraft obsessive workmates, the original A380 FBW system had to be degraded. It was working too well, you could lose power from one of the engines and the cabin crew wouldn't know about it, so they programmed it to add some slippage.
Post #190,943 by mmoffitt 1/20/05 8:43:14 AM Reply	That's what I'd guessed. I just got my Private license about 2.5 years ago and have talked about FBW technology that you "can't turn off" quite a bit with other PPSEL's through ATPs. The consensus was that FBW was great, but all of us agreed that it should be implemented on Boeing's model - the PIC can turn it off. I'm geniunely not trying to tick you off. But I am very curious if there ever has been any debate with Airbus that you're aware of concerning adding the PIC's ability to shut off the FBW? I guess what scares me and the other pilots I've spoken to is stuff like this: [link\|http://www.airdisaster.com/photos/lh2904/photo.shtml\|http://www.airdisast...h2904/photo.shtml] DLH 2904 flight from Frankfurt to Warsaw progressed normally until Warsaw Okecie TWR warned the crew that windshear exists on approach to RWY 11, as reported by DLH 5764, that had just landed. According to Flight Manual instructions PF used increased approach speed and with this speed touched down on RWY 11 in Okecie aerodrome. Very light touch of the runway surface with the landing gear and lack of compression of the left landing gear leg to the extent understood by the aircraft computer as the actual landing resulted in delayed deployment of spoilers and thrust reversers. Delay was about 9 seconds. Thus the braking commenced with delay and in condition of heavy rain and strong tailwind (storm front passed through aerodrome area at that time) aircraft did not stop on runway. In effect of the crash one crew member and one of the passengers lost their lives. The aircraft sustained damage caused by fire. [link\|http://sunnyday.mit.edu/accidents/warsaw-report.html\|http://sunnyday.mit....arsaw-report.html] There are more, of course, like the Lufthansa flight in the clouds on final where the first officer thought he keyed in -3.5 degrees and what he actually keyed in was -3,500/min descent. They broke through the clouds at 1,000 agl, both pilot and first officer yanked the stick back but nothing happened because the computer decided that was "too much input" and instead nicely rounded it out into the ground and killed all on board. bcnu, Mikem Eine Leute. Eine Welt. Ein F\ufffdhrer. (Just trying to be accepted in the New America)
Post #191,052 by saganista 1/21/05 5:50:10 AM Reply	Re: That's what I'd guessed. >I'm geniunely not trying to tick you off. But I am very curious if there ever has >been any debate with Airbus that you're aware of concerning adding the PIC's >ability to shut off the FBW? I really don't know. As I said in a previous post, I'm just a grease monkey. I leave the clever sods to concentrate on design and safety issues, while I concentrate on not falling off a four storey high wing jig. :)
Post #191,073 by mmoffitt 1/21/05 10:26:49 AM Reply	;0) bcnu, Mikem Eine Leute. Eine Welt. Ein F\ufffdhrer. (Just trying to be accepted in the New America)
Post #190,753 by Another Scott 1/19/05 9:59:23 AM Reply	There's only one H-4 Hercules. :-) 3 images. It's also known as the "Spruce Goose". [link\|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spruce_Goose#Specifications\|H-4 Hercules]: [image\|http://commons.wikimedia.org/upload/thumb/4/4c/300px-H-4_Hercules_2.jpg\|0\|Hughes H-4 Hercules\|214\|300] General characteristics * Wingspan: 319 ft 11 in (97.54 m) * Length: 218 ft 8 in (66.65 m) * Height: 79 ft 4 in (24.18 m) * Fuselage height: Approx. 30 ft (9.1 m) * Engines: 8 \ufffd Pratt & Whitney R-4360 Wasp Major, 3,000 hp (2.2 MW) each * Propellers: 8 \ufffd four-bladed Hamilton Standard, diameter 17 ft 2 in (5.23 m) Performance (projected) * Intended cruising speed: Approx. 200 mph (320 km/h) * Intended maximum range: Approx. 3,000 miles (4,800 km) * Intended endurance (cruise): 20.9 h * Intended service ceiling: 20,900 ft (6,370 m) [link\|http://www.pbs.org/kcet/chasingthesun/planes/a380.html#specifications\|A380]: [image\|http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1390000/images/_1393390_300parisairshow3.jpg\|0\|A380 Mockup in Paris\|280\|380] SPECIFICATIONS Manufacturer \tAirbus First Flight: \tSeptember 1, 2004 Wingspan: \t261 feet, 10 inches Length: \t239 feet, 6 inches Height: \t79 feet, 1 inch Weight: \t606,000 pounds (empty) Top Speed: \t652 miles per hour Cruising Speed: \t630 miles per hour Flight Altitude: \t43,000 feet Range: \t8,000 miles Engines: \t4 engines Rolls-Royce Trent 900 or Engine Alliance Passenger Accommodations: \t555 passengers They're obviously quite different. The H-4 still has the longest wingspan. The [link\|http://www.aerospaceweb.org/aircraft/transport-m/an225/\|An-225] has the largest wingspan of the modern jets (88.4 m = 290 feet): [image\|http://www.globalaircraft.org/photos/planephotos/an-225-1.jpg\|0\|An-225\|324"\|480] It must be fun to work on such a unique project as the A380. Cheers, Scott.
Post #190,677 by folkert 1/18/05 7:47:41 PM Reply	Sweet... Now we gots the AeroSpace mIndustry here... TOO! Awesome. Meets and Greets required! -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* [link\|http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=134485&cid=11233230\|"Microsoft Security" is an even better oxymoron than "Miltary Intelligence"] No matter how much Microsoft supporters whine about how Linux and other operating systems have just as many bugs as their operating systems do, the bottom line is that the serious, gut-wrenching problems happen on Windows, not on Linux, not on Mac OS. -- [link\|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1622086,00.asp\|source]
Post #190,685 by saganista 1/18/05 8:42:02 PM Reply	Re: Sweet... Thanks for the greet Folkert
Post #190,724 by daemon 1/19/05 12:11:34 AM Reply	wow! welcome!! now is there any design functions of the wings different or is it a case of lighter and bigger. regards, daemon that way too many Iraqis conceived of free society as little more than a mosh pit with grenades. ANDISHEH NOURAEE clearwater highschool marching band [link\|http://www.chstornadoband.org/\|http://www.chstornadoband.org/]
Post #190,736 by saganista 1/19/05 3:43:13 AM Reply	Re: wow! welcome!! Mainly lighter and bigger. The internal structure has changed slightly, but nothing drastic. And as I said before, the wing is smoother, not just to the touch, but when you look at it you can see there are less rivets. Transportation is the biggest change, we fly the A330 wings out to France on a Beluga from the nearby airport. The 380's have to be driven on a monster 100 wheel trailer to the nearest dock, and then loaded onto a specially built barge to cross to the Continent.
Post #190,978 by pwhysall 1/20/05 12:33:16 PM Reply	Hail, fellow Brit. (new thread) Created as new thread #190977 titled [link\|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=190977\|Hail, fellow Brit.] Peter [link\|http://www.ubuntulinux.org\|Ubuntu Linux] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes!
Post #190,704 by a6l6e6x 1/18/05 10:16:45 PM Reply	Does anyone see the possibilities here? Yep, flying computer parts from Taiwan directly to Michigan. :) Alex The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. -- Bertrand Russell
Post #190,715 by folkert 1/18/05 10:48:44 PM Reply	Might get ahead of the demand. -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* [link\|http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=134485&cid=11233230\|"Microsoft Security" is an even better oxymoron than "Miltary Intelligence"] No matter how much Microsoft supporters whine about how Linux and other operating systems have just as many bugs as their operating systems do, the bottom line is that the serious, gut-wrenching problems happen on Windows, not on Linux, not on Mac OS. -- [link\|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1622086,00.asp\|source]

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