Post #190,207
1/14/05 2:31:26 PM
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Nope. He HAS said those things. In our recent discussions.
> He wants to prevent others from holding office because of their beliefs.
Straight from a Foulwell/Robertson "sermon".
> He wants to police ideologies that differ with his own?
You mean, a la Ashcroft and his ilk?
> You are so assured of your superiority that you should rule the majority despite what the actual people want.
Texbook definition of fascism.
All identifiable, undeniable attributes of the Wacko Christian Right. That's what I find so amusing. The same flaws he bases his statements on the subject (of ALLOWING people to vote based on religion), HE is showing in spades. he has never said, nor even intimated those things Really. I've linked to three (there are more) of his statements in our recent discussion in Science; read up. [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=190185|http://z.iwethey.org...?contentid=190185] And you, by trying vainly to assign to the critic those attributes that the critic finds in the Wacko Christian Right, makes you sound shrill and stupid ROFL. Vainly? He's the one that supports making 'fundamentalists' second-class citizens banned from fully participating in the system. I am responding to his STATEMENTS on the subject; if you don't believe, read. He thinks that classes of people should be 'banned' from serving. Do yourself a favor and read this [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=189011|thread] before you accuse me of 'going off the deep end'. I'm simply responding to his anti-democratic and other extremist statements. [link|http://forfree.sytes.net|
] Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #190,232
1/14/05 5:24:56 PM
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Well-enough said, but arabesques The Question
Nobody here suffers from the simplistic mindset which imagines.. ~~ you could ""outlaw"" inanity, superstition, malevolent-inner-thoughts, vicious angst about Queers, womens' wombs, Sex etc.
-- In a pseudo-'democracy' like this one, or especially: in an Idealized realization of such a Mature/Adult culture as has never existed long amidst homo-saps.
{once pop-history has Male-rewritten-out all the Matriarchies and similar experiments; has invented the Wizard-of-Oz warted 'Witch' so's to put the final nail in Those coffins, etc.}
So you can't make That {whatever That IS} "illegal". We See This / D'Oh.<<
What I Thought Mike was attempting to address, and what I Thought I was elsewhere attempting to address -- is a matter which has not before come So-close to realization in our semi-theocracy / Full-Corporatocracy / in this land we wrested from its occupants by genocidal and other despicable means:
WHAT IF - a 'majority' decides to -effectively- NULLIFY the Constitution?
ie Make Permanent
-- like ever-rising Tax 'Reduction' for the rich / $10 for the cubicle-dwellers kinda stuff
-- like screw habeas corpus
-- like Indefinite Incarceration sans any access to The Law
-- [like fuck up the tort system so you Couldn't ___, even then]
-- like Gerrymandering {cf. Texas/Lay et al} so there can never again BE a Non-Repo governorship.
-- like [how many more needed: alphabetically or chronologically, since Ronnie Populist?]
ie: WHAT IF the recent assaults on the fabric of this Idea of the US 'Republic' are *seen* to be setting-in-concrete?
(I submit that the Answer to such a situation is within the very Constitution: Rebellion is not merely accorded respectability: it is ADVOCATED. And that's a big Q.E.D.) But that is AFTER a coup has become *formalized*; ex-post-facto <<
This does not answer the Question: *pre-Revolution*
There may not Be an obvious one; we might just have to Innovate.
WHAT ARE OUR OPTIONS / Are there Any? / to PREVENT
the concretization of recent Anti-Constitutional Acts, not-yet reviewed by a USSC:
>> Whose very 'impartiality' ie its {greatly reduced RESPECT via Y2K Selection process} may become palpably as bogus as are the machinations of the Radical Cabal? who have seduced a populace, one manifestly manipulable (today) via polished propaganda of G\ufffdbbelsian kind. (How does one prove prevalence of incapacitating gullibility hmmm?)
The F-Fathers never envisaged some %huge of the population merely resigning from Citizenshp; never imagined a few shiny beads / toys would work as well on Muricans as they did on the natives.
How's that for Cosmic Irony?
I (still) believe this is no fantastical What-If, in light of a mere Four Years;
the secretive closing of even past-Presidential papers from DAY ONE set the theme;
the 'personal' obsessions with Saddam - proven now: active from the First Day, too.
the daily dissembling since, via barely decipherable bafflegab advances that theme.
This bellicose Appointed Cabal is daily altering the voting regions
== Gerrymandering towards Permanent, unassailable Occupancy.
So then, shall 'we' suffer analysis paralysis until - it's Gloks, firebombs with Phlogiston, on the Street?
[I know how to Make those]
Natch, I think we Will - I've lived here a large number of decades {shudder}, I recall well My Gramma - and these PNAC people ARE HER. We Never Learn because Muricans don't know even their own history. We are the mentally-laziest creatures on the planet, except for: Getting $$ By Any Means We Can. Our {actual} God == greed.
cha cha cha
Have a nice {pre-Chaos} day :-)
I much prefer evanescent sweet-Reason to heaped dead burned bodies, too.
But all our wise folks died / key ones assassinated .. and the new crew are simply fucking atavistic Primitives. Plugged into that tape loop, I Know I'm Righteous.
Where's Death when ya needs Terry's lovely-One Live?
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Post #190,256
1/14/05 9:47:40 PM
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What you thought Mike was trying to address ...
was precisely what Mike was trying to address. I've been struggling, unsuccessfully, to put it simply and may have discovered it. "Is American democracy tenable when the majority decide American democracy is without merit? And if it is not, should democracy be destroyed in order to save it?"
bcnu,
Mikem
Eine Leute. Eine Welt. Ein F\ufffdhrer.
(Just trying to be accepted in the New America)
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Post #190,258
1/14/05 10:05:12 PM
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And you still set yourself up as 'elite'
Both of you.
You both believe you are "more equal than others".
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] Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #190,264
1/14/05 10:34:03 PM
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Please see post where you told me to ;0)
bcnu,
Mikem
Eine Leute. Eine Welt. Ein F\ufffdhrer.
(Just trying to be accepted in the New America)
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Post #190,267
1/14/05 10:54:35 PM
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*grin* Link there, then!
[link|http://forfree.sytes.net|
] Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #190,386
1/16/05 2:35:10 PM
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**chuckle** Follow your own rules, then. ;0)
bcnu,
Mikem
Eine Leute. Eine Welt. Ein F\ufffdhrer.
(Just trying to be accepted in the New America)
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Post #190,242
1/14/05 7:25:37 PM
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Fair enough
IWETHEY is just too big for me (at least) to keep track of everybody's posting history. In the links you referenced, I see the statements you referred to. That thread is way too long for me to catch up on it now. So I now understand your irritation.
However, in this thread, in a whole new forum, there is none of that. Responding to mmoffitt's post here with invective based on unfinished business there does tend to confuse and confound even the regulars, doncha think?
Furthermore, even if you were responding to something in this thread, the reductio ad absurdum form of debate is getting a little tired; even BeeP is not using it as much... ;-)
jb4
shrub\ufffdbish (Am., from shrub + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf. BULLSHIT
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Post #190,251
1/14/05 8:32:03 PM
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I know.
[link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=189628|http://z.iwethey.org...?contentid=189628]
[link|http://forfree.sytes.net|
] Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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