Profile only when there is statistical evidence

Post #190,166 by JayMehaffey 1/14/05 10:01:50 AM Reply	Profile only when there is statistical evidence A few words in defense of "racial profiling". This is simply pattern recognition. When profiling is based on real statistical evidence, I have no problem with it. When it just provides cover for personal bias then it is a problem. For example, the whole argument over "driving while black" has died down. Part of the reason is that detailed studies have shown that in general there is little or no bias in traffic arrests on highways. The police watch cars, not drivers, and because of that racism dosn't play into it much. On the other hand, studies have also shown racism in prosecution is a significant problem. All other things being equal, a black person found guilty of a crime will probably get a stiffer sentence. Any "spot check" by a cop is some sort of profiling. You don't want the cops to start checking people completely randomly, do you? Some random checks are a good idea. Drug cartels have adapted to profiling by intentionally picking runners that don't match the profiles. Jay
Post #190,167 by Arkadiy 1/14/05 10:10:05 AM Reply	I am almost with you Except when you say "statistical evidence", you probably mean surweys and data analysis and distinguished commissions and official police procedures adop[ted five years after the beginning of the comprehensive study. When I say "pattern recognition", I mean the gut feeling that a police officer develops about a guy standing on the corner. I, for one, would assign higher risk value to a typical-looking inner-city black male than to a fellow like myself. Then again, may be I am a racist for saying "typical-looking black male". But you folks know what I am talking about, don't you? -- - I was involuntarily self-promoted into management. [link\|http://kerneltrap.org/node/4484\|Richard Stallman]
Post #190,176 by jbrabeck 1/14/05 10:36:51 AM Reply	Racist no ... Stereotyping yes... What's a "typical black male" and how does that differ from a "typical white male" or a "typical hmong male" or a "typical gay male" or a "typical Pakistani male" etc, etc, etc What's different is to be feared... A good friend will come and bail you out of jail ... but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!"
Post #190,208 by Arkadiy 1/14/05 2:51:11 PM Reply	Fine. Call it "typical inner city male" that happens to be black. A guy who thinks that going to college is not a "black thing". A gangsta rapper kind of guy. When you read "typical black male", did _you_ think of that specimen? or did you think of Bill Cosby? If you thought of Mr. Cosby, my hat is off to you and may I please move to your neghbohood? -- - I was involuntarily self-promoted into management. [link\|http://kerneltrap.org/node/4484\|Richard Stallman]
Post #190,214 by JayMehaffey 1/14/05 3:41:10 PM Reply	Re: I am almost with you When I say "pattern recognition", I mean the gut feeling that a police officer develops about a guy standing on the corner. The problem is how do you tell racism from valid experience? Are you homing in on the guy standing on the corner because there is some subtle clue about the way he is watching the crowd that says he is suspicious or because he is black? A cop that stops the first guy is going on years of experience, the second on racism. But both will tell you they are going on their gut instincts. Jay
Post #190,248 by Arkadiy 1/14/05 8:02:24 PM Reply	I can't tell. But I am giving the cops the benefits of the doubt. A real racist is a racist in his entire life, not only at work. I'd expect some other things show up, besides racial profiling. -- - I was involuntarily self-promoted into management. [link\|http://kerneltrap.org/node/4484\|Richard Stallman]
Post #190,334 by inthane-chan 1/16/05 12:23:46 AM Reply	You should meet my cousin. He's a model cop. He's got numerous citations and awards. Lotsa letters of commendation from all over the place. He's been on the show "Cops" a few times. Never met a nigger he liked. Needless to say, he and I don't get along very well. There's this guy on the bus, ex-cop. He's black, works in security at a local department store. He takes the bus to work because he got tired of getting pulled over all the time on his way to work - why? Because he's black. I've driven with him - he doesn't drive crazy, he's a nice guy, but he's black. That shit is ALL over the place. "Here at Ortillery Command we have at our disposal hundred megawatt laser beams, mach 20 titanium rods and guided thermonuclear bombs. Some people say we think that we're God. We're not God. We just borrowed his 'SMITE' button for our fire control system."
Post #190,525 by daemon 1/17/05 10:22:23 PM Reply	a real racist can be an honest cop new a marine sargent, jews this, Baker is a contraction of von Bakker (Baker was a prominent local wasp bidnessman} Jews run everything, hitler was right etc. I kept trying to find out where I could signup for my check. He didnt know but insisted the local rabbi could help me out there. Didnt see him for a few years until after about 4 fast beers I get pulled over by a state trooper for a broken tail light. If I had to blow a breathalizer I would have blown over. Its the same guy, bs'd for minute ("say didnt you used to work as a marine recruiter?"} he asks me how many beers Ive had. (alaska has the heaviest penalties in the nation for DUI/DWI) he said be careful driving home and let me go. He did recognise me, knew I was "one of them" and didnt take advantage of it. I have met other cops that hated black offenders yet were professional in their dealings with them. Think about an Israeli Police officer, some are racists some are professional. regards, daemon that way too many Iraqis conceived of free society as little more than a mosh pit with grenades. ANDISHEH NOURAEE clearwater highschool marching band [link\|http://www.chstornadoband.org/\|http://www.chstornadoband.org/]

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