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Post #190,026 by Arkadiy 1/13/05 2:27:45 AM Reply	To repy to you in the "right" forum OK, so the democracy is not the right system when the majority is "mean" or "unenlightened". From this point on, any ranting on election fraud coming from you will be severely discounted and shunned. -- - I was involuntarily self-promoted into management. [link\|http://kerneltrap.org/node/4484\|Richard Stallman]
Post #190,031 by mmoffitt 1/13/05 4:43:41 AM Reply	You're not likely to see any from me anymore. At least not as concerns the US. The thoughts I've expressed in the past couple of threads come from an extremely unpleasant lesson the last election taught me. I've come to realize that I'd given the majority of Americans entirely too much credit. I could not, until last November, believe that G. W. Bush and his policies were what the majority of Americans wanted. November taught me that I was wrong. That is what is so disheartening about the 2004 election for me. I have finally lost faith in the majority of American people. If the majority of Americans had the anything approximating the moral fiber I believed present in all human beings, Bush would have gotten no more than 10% of the vote. Not that Kerry was much better, but we knew what Bush et. al. were like, and the majority of us saw fit to support him. At the Democratic Convention, Jimmy Carter said this election was about "the very soul of our nation." I agreed with him. And the nation spoke. That the world's greatest power could be in the hands of ... I can't even say it. It is too painful. The question I raised, "Is democracy in America any longer a good thing for the world given the attitudes and beliefs of the majority of Americans?" is still an open question. But for me, at least, the openness of that question is coming to a close. bcnu, Mikem Eine Leute. Eine Welt. Ein F\ufffdhrer. (Just trying to be accepted in the New America)
Post #190,183 by danreck 1/14/05 12:41:49 PM Reply	Remember Nixon? Or Reagan or Clinton or any of the other two termers in my lifetime? You write: "That is what is so disheartening about the 2004 election for me. I have finally lost faith in the majority of American people." To whit, whoopity doody do! It's about fricking time! Join the party, Mikey - the real party in this three party system. The party of the majority. The disillusioned masses of nonvoters who no longer "believe in" any of the assclowns dredged up every four years to bellow platitudes and the same tired mantras of their long ago irrelevent "parties". I view those of you with passion for the political parties with the same distance as those of Hinduism versus Judeo-christian philosophies. I buy into a little of what everyone is saying but not enough of what anyone is saying to cast my tacit approval. (Natch) Welcome to the Machine. Welcome to the club. FWIW, this is what I've been trying to tell you sad sack assclowns all last year (I was going to take the high road and not say "I told you so" - oh well!) I blame folks like you (nattering nabobs of negativity) for leading my former party down the trail of "nothing but negativeness" and insulting the "intelligence of we the fricking people". You got the result I thought - people didn't vote for Bush, they voted against "the void of any ideas except attacks on the current MFAC in office". Kerry ran "against" Bush and not "for" anything. Some people I spoke with in Ohio said they voted for Bush because they felt sorry for him. Think about it. Any brief interlude with academia will show you that the people who actually "present ideas/research" are by far -BY FAR- outnumbered by those that are trying to discredit their ideas. But even if the idea/research is "silly", the folks presenting still are viewed more positively than those nattering neybobs of negativity trying to tear them apart. It's human nature, I think. You should have seen it coming... I did. I told you so. You chose not to listen. Oh well... Get 'em again four years from now tiger. Sooner or later the blue will beat the red (the Red Sox won after all). Don't give up the faith. Just a few thoughts, Danno
Post #190,186 by bepatient 1/14/05 12:55:08 PM Reply	Whew I was beginning to think noone here "got it". I'm glad somebody did..even if he is in Ohio ;-) If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. _{Fudd's First Law of Opposition} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #190,210 by danreck 1/14/05 2:52:43 PM Reply	Hey beep Get with the program, dude. I'm in Indiana these days (moved five years ago in fact). Now that I'm privy to clean northern Indiana air, my mind is refreshed. Yeah, sure! Just a few thoughts, Danno
Post #190,220 by bepatient 1/14/05 3:55:59 PM Reply	Yeah...I remember now... ...but... Some people I spoke with in Ohio said they voted for Bush because they felt sorry for him. Think about it. means that you are still at least conversational with those who seem to have lost the ability to prounounce the last syllable of their state's name. If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. _{Fudd's First Law of Opposition} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #190,388 by mmoffitt 1/16/05 2:41:47 PM Reply	Where TF is the air clean in Indiana? I'm up here, too, remember. And the water and the air is unbelievably filthy for no more population/industry than we've got. bcnu, Mikem Eine Leute. Eine Welt. Ein F\ufffdhrer. (Just trying to be accepted in the New America)
Post #190,453 by danreck 1/16/05 10:00:26 PM Reply	The closer you get to Gary my hoosier compatriot, the better the air and water get... :-) At least that's what I've been told. Just a few thoughts, Danno

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