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Post #18,980

by Brandioch

11/20/01 2:01:36 PM

Incorrect.

"Until we get free of oil dependency, we have to deal with it. "

Wrong.

The oil dependency is the reason we KEEP interfering in their affairs.

Getting off the oil would only mean we wouldn't have a reason to interfer (aside from treaties and alliances and such) (or moral issues).

The question is whether we're working towards our short term interests or long term interests.

Post #19,017

by hnick

11/20/01 5:25:11 PM

I was unclear

Until we get free of oil dependency, we have to deal with oil dependency. Not anybody in particular. There are a number of ways to deal with it. While we are dependent, deal with it we must.

I am not advocating any particular means of dealing with it.

The powers that be, who laid the foundations for this mess do not consult me for my opinions, nor have they ever.

The only reason I got in this thread was irritation at bluke's presumption that we should somehow, without the benifit of sainthood, please everybody in the ME, and support some mythical brotherhood of man ahead of our own interests.

I think I'm done with this thread; please yourselves...

The law according to the Northern Alliance - (bluke) - (77) - Nov. 19, 2001, 08:43:21 AM EST

I've asked this question before and I ask it again. - (marlowe) - Nov. 19, 2001, 10:34:36 AM EST

Have you read the whole thing? - (Steven A S) - (75) - Nov. 19, 2001, 10:38:29 AM EST

Need information on the range. - (Brandioch) - (19) - Nov. 19, 2001, 11:20:52 AM EST

Couldn't say - (Steven A S) - (18) - Nov. 19, 2001, 11:40:46 AM EST

Personal Observation - (screamer) - (17) - Nov. 19, 2001, 05:25:05 PM EST

Clarification - (Steven A S) - Nov. 19, 2001, 10:07:28 PM EST

Sinop? -NT - (jbrabeck) - (15) - Nov. 20, 2001, 07:50:50 AM EST

Yep... Was geographically significant... - (screamer) - (14) - Nov. 20, 2001, 01:26:14 PM EST

Cool. - (Brandioch) - (9) - Nov. 20, 2001, 02:24:36 PM EST

Duty trains rocked... - (screamer) - (8) - Nov. 20, 2001, 05:13:57 PM EST

Yep. - (Brandioch) - (3) - Nov. 20, 2001, 05:48:25 PM EST

Kewl... - (screamer) - (2) - Nov. 21, 2001, 11:35:38 AM EST

I'd never recommend it. - (Brandioch) - (1) - Nov. 21, 2001, 01:13:51 PM EST

But I would... - (jbrabeck) - Nov. 21, 2001, 02:24:09 PM EST

Strolled around Magdeburg at age 12 or 13; no hassles then.. - (CRConrad) - (3) - Nov. 20, 2001, 10:07:06 PM EST

Thank you for the info... - (screamer) - (2) - Nov. 21, 2001, 11:22:03 AM EST

You're welcome. - (CRConrad) - (1) - Nov. 21, 2001, 12:12:13 PM EST

My condolences... - (screamer) - Nov. 21, 2001, 04:17:38 PM EST

I was there - (jbrabeck) - (3) - Nov. 21, 2001, 08:01:18 AM EST

Fond memories here too... - (screamer) - (2) - Nov. 21, 2001, 11:45:29 AM EST

When were you in Wurzburg? - (jbrabeck) - (1) - Nov. 21, 2001, 02:10:11 PM EST

From '81 to '84.... - (screamer) - Nov. 21, 2001, 04:07:33 PM EST

Double standard - (bluke) - (53) - Nov. 19, 2001, 11:43:32 AM EST

I believe the phrase is "well DUH!" - (Brandioch) - (2) - Nov. 19, 2001, 11:45:41 AM EST

Not a surprise at all - (bluke) - (1) - Nov. 19, 2001, 11:58:48 AM EST

Some do. - (Brandioch) - Nov. 19, 2001, 12:08:25 PM EST

I may not have stated myself correctly - (Steven A S) - (5) - Nov. 19, 2001, 11:56:01 AM EST

Perhaps you are all forgetting Japan and the end of W-II ? - (Ashton) - (4) - Nov. 19, 2001, 11:14:09 PM EST

Nit: W. Edwards Deming. - (Another Scott) - (1) - Nov. 19, 2001, 11:27:24 PM EST

Thanks - bookmarked. Neat guy all around. -NT - (Ashton) - Nov. 19, 2001, 11:41:33 PM EST

Um, hate to be the one to break it to you, Ashton... - (inthane-chan) - (1) - Nov. 20, 2001, 11:38:28 AM EST

Sorry if I gave the impression that *Anyone* - (Ashton) - Nov. 20, 2001, 02:11:35 PM EST

I must disagree with you. - (Simon_Jester) - (1) - Nov. 19, 2001, 01:23:37 PM EST

The problem is not... - (bluke) - Nov. 20, 2001, 03:42:08 AM EST

Gee, we just can't win. - (marlowe) - (41) - Nov. 19, 2001, 03:20:35 PM EST

Did someone miss our CIA operatives? - (Brandioch) - (34) - Nov. 19, 2001, 04:26:24 PM EST

Evidence, please. - (Another Scott) - (33) - Nov. 19, 2001, 04:33:38 PM EST

IIRC... - (inthane-chan) - Nov. 19, 2001, 04:47:50 PM EST

Evidence of a black op? - (Simon_Jester) - (4) - Nov. 19, 2001, 05:07:35 PM EST

Evidence and logic. - (Another Scott) - (3) - Nov. 19, 2001, 11:21:35 PM EST

Re: Evidence and logic - smoking gun evidence !!! - (dmarker2) - (1) - Nov. 20, 2001, 12:24:02 AM EST

'Frank & Ernest' (US comic strip) reprise. Again! - (Ashton) - Nov. 20, 2001, 02:18:31 PM EST

Heh..and the definition of "is" is... - (Simon_Jester) - Nov. 20, 2001, 09:20:30 AM EST

Your government at work. - (Brandioch) - (24) - Nov. 19, 2001, 05:13:06 PM EST

I don't find the evidence to be very good. - (Another Scott) - (23) - Nov. 19, 2001, 06:09:46 PM EST

Thank you thank you thank you... - (bepatient) - (1) - Nov. 19, 2001, 06:20:09 PM EST

You're quite welcome. :-) -NT - (Another Scott) - Nov. 19, 2001, 06:22:48 PM EST

More - (Brandioch) - (17) - Nov. 19, 2001, 06:25:29 PM EST

He says it, but presents no evidence for it.... -NT - (Another Scott) - (15) - Nov. 19, 2001, 06:28:19 PM EST

At this point, you're going to concede the other statements? - (Brandioch) - (14) - Nov. 19, 2001, 07:04:44 PM EST

Keep me out of it. :-) - (Another Scott) - (13) - Nov. 19, 2001, 07:32:04 PM EST

Proof? what I see inferred from this mass of circumstantial - (Ashton) - (11) - Nov. 19, 2001, 11:27:59 PM EST

Does it make sense that the CIA would have trained him? - (Another Scott) - (10) - Nov. 19, 2001, 11:34:29 PM EST

My take, then. - (Ashton) - Nov. 19, 2001, 11:48:33 PM EST

*sigh* - (Brandioch) - (8) - Nov. 20, 2001, 02:14:49 PM EST

Nice strawman there, Brandy. :-) - (Another Scott) - (7) - Nov. 20, 2001, 02:21:17 PM EST

How literally do you want to take it? - (Silverlock) - (1) - Nov. 20, 2001, 02:36:39 PM EST

Thanks. Some of this already discussed. - (Another Scott) - Nov. 20, 2001, 03:49:00 PM EST

You use terms you don't understand. - (Brandioch) - (4) - Nov. 20, 2001, 03:30:06 PM EST

Rather than edit that. - (Brandioch) - Nov. 20, 2001, 03:35:21 PM EST

Nit? - (bepatient) - (1) - Nov. 20, 2001, 03:41:33 PM EST

One step at a time. - (Brandioch) - Nov. 20, 2001, 05:06:17 PM EST

Straight to the point. - (TTC) - Nov. 20, 2001, 10:32:50 PM EST

I didn't put you in it. - (Brandioch) - Nov. 20, 2001, 01:55:34 PM EST

Please Edit ASAP! - (ben_tilly) - Nov. 19, 2001, 09:16:48 PM EST

Well, at least he's trying. Sort of. - (marlowe) - (2) - Nov. 19, 2001, 07:26:25 PM EST

WTF? - (Brandioch) - Nov. 20, 2001, 02:05:44 PM EST

And I notice you didn't answer my question. - (Brandioch) - Nov. 20, 2001, 02:20:12 PM EST

The specific case of Bin Laden is irrelevant - (bluke) - (1) - Nov. 20, 2001, 03:56:39 AM EST

While I agree for the most part... - (inthane-chan) - Nov. 20, 2001, 11:31:49 AM EST

Their affairs are our affairs - (bluke) - (5) - Nov. 20, 2001, 03:48:59 AM EST

Oh, quit whining... - (hnick) - (4) - Nov. 20, 2001, 07:20:57 AM EST

Then don't be surprised that the world hates you - (bluke) - (3) - Nov. 20, 2001, 09:39:27 AM EST

Let's assume, for the moment, that you are serious.... - (hnick) - (2) - Nov. 20, 2001, 10:54:31 AM EST

Incorrect. - (Brandioch) - (1) - Nov. 20, 2001, 02:01:36 PM EST

I was unclear - (hnick) - Nov. 20, 2001, 05:25:11 PM EST

Three strikes and you're maimed? - (marlowe) - Nov. 19, 2001, 12:00:20 PM EST

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