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New You haven't known many crazies, have you?
The fact that someone claims to hear voices in their head doesn't mean anything. Heck, I hear voices in my head - they say whatever I want them to. (I sometimes mentally rehearse an interaction, and while rehearsing it, I am able to choose to "hear" the whole interaction play out however I want it to.)

What marks someone as crazy is what the voices in their head say about the world. It doesn't tend to be subtle. And it does get in the way of their functioning.

Let's compare, for instance, your average paranoid schizophrenic with Larry Wall, devout Christian. Both are somewhat odd. (Have you seen pictures of how Larry dresses?) But the religious person is able to function in the world, talk at length making some sort of sense, can navigate where he wants to, and generally seems to be a fairly competent human being. Regardless of whether you or I agrees with his beliefs.

By contrast paranoid schizophrenics tend to wind up believing that they have to save the world. In the USA that tends to mean either they have a mission to kill the US president or to blow up the UN. Of the ones who try to blow up the UN, most do not manage to exit the train station without being taken into custody. (They draw attention with their muttering, confusion, and inability to conduct a coherent conversation.)

Now those are extreme examples, but the principle holds. Crazy people tend to be pretty obviously non-functional in society. Religious people tend to get along about as well as non-religious people. While I disagree with both groups, having dealt with members of both, it is pretty easy to recognize the difference.

Cheers,
Ben

PS I was born a Ward as well. My mother changed our names. He chose to change his back for personal reasons.
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
New Crazy is as crazy does
By contrast paranoid schizophrenics tend to wind up believing that they have to save the world. In the USA that tends to mean either they have a mission to kill the US president or to blow up the UN.


The world certainly does look more and more like it needs saving. And killing the president does seem like an important step in the process. Not sure about the UN.

Am I crazy? Or the only sane one left?



"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them."     --Albert Einstein

"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses."     --George W. Bush
New That's not something I'd say on the web these days.
New only useful if he wont leave Jan 2009
you really want cheney without SOME pushback?
the republic will recover, we lived thru lincoln and nixon, we will survive Bush
regards,
daemon
that way too many Iraqis conceived of free society as little more than a mosh pit with grenades. ANDISHEH NOURAEE
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New Just a step
Obviously you can't stop there.



"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them."     --Albert Einstein

"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses."     --George W. Bush
     The New Monkey Trial - (Ashton) - (43)
         YAN example of the insidious nature of Fundamentalist Xians. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (33)
             ^^^behold the anti-Christian bigot. ^^^ -NT - (imric) - (32)
                 Some things *deserve* their anti-bigotry. - (CRConrad) - (27)
                     ROFL Other way around, Christian. - (imric) - (26)
                         So here's a question... (new thread) - (inthane-chan)
                         Actually, Skippy, I wouldn't be too sure of that. - (CRConrad) - (24)
                             The difference... - (ben_tilly) - (7)
                                 You rate that far too highly; out of some misplaced respect? - (CRConrad) - (6)
                                     You haven't known many crazies, have you? - (ben_tilly) - (4)
                                         Crazy is as crazy does - (tuberculosis) - (3)
                                             That's not something I'd say on the web these days. -NT - (inthane-chan)
                                             only useful if he wont leave Jan 2009 - (daemon) - (1)
                                                 Just a step - (tuberculosis)
                                     Or should we go around taking any gibbering certifiable..... - (daemon)
                             Well, Chris - (imric) - (15)
                                 You make several good points; too bad you don't connect them - (CRConrad) - (2)
                                     Actually - (imric)
                                     It's only correct... - (jb4)
                                 Looks like... - (tuberculosis)
                                 And that differs from the Xian Fanactics how? - (jb4) - (10)
                                     Nope. He HAS said those things. In our recent discussions. - (imric) - (8)
                                         Well-enough said, but arabesques The Question - (Ashton) - (5)
                                             What you thought Mike was trying to address ... - (mmoffitt) - (4)
                                                 And you still set yourself up as 'elite' - (imric) - (3)
                                                     Please see post where you told me to ;0) -NT - (mmoffitt) - (2)
                                                         *grin* Link there, then! -NT - (imric) - (1)
                                                             **chuckle** Follow your own rules, then. ;0) -NT - (mmoffitt)
                                         Fair enough - (jb4) - (1)
                                             I know. - (imric)
                                     Hmm. Methinks a full thread reading is in ord-ah. - (bepatient)
                 In this case it's not bigotry, it's common sense. -NT - (Meerkat) - (2)
                     I wouldn't have said a word - (imric) - (1)
                         Ah, hadn't read Conflict forum, makes more sense now. -NT - (Meerkat)
                 If a statement like that is all it takes... - (jb4)
         Order out of Chaos - God's mechanism for design. - (tuberculosis) - (3)
             There's always this old .sig of mine... - (inthane-chan) - (2)
                 That is LRPD-worthy! -NT - (jb4)
                 Yup, not bad, but Baad. -NT - (Ashton)
         More rank hypocricy from the Wacko Wright [sic] - (jb4) - (4)
             The real problem w/the religious Right's sex ed policy. - (mmoffitt) - (3)
                 s/problem w/\\/goal of / - (drewk) - (2)
                     Shades of "Crazy Eddy..." -NT - (inthane-chan)
                     :-) -NT - (mmoffitt)

It is just too confusing…
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