Post #189,602
1/10/05 12:36:19 PM
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^^^behold the anti-Christian bigot. ^^^
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Post #189,619
1/10/05 3:05:21 PM
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Some things *deserve* their anti-bigotry.
What, you gonna complain how naughty and unfair it is for someone to be, e.g, anti-Nazi?
[link|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode|Christian R. Conrad]
(I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.)
Your lies are of Microsoftian Scale and boring to boot. Your 'depression' may be the closest you ever come to recognizing truth: you have no 'inferiority complex', you are inferior - and something inside you recognizes this. - [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=71575|Ashton Brown]
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Post #189,621
1/10/05 3:11:51 PM
1/10/05 3:14:21 PM
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ROFL Other way around, Christian.
It is MMOFFIT that is exhibiting the bigoted, Nazi tendencies here.
It is he that would LITERALLY relegate people to being second-class citizens because of thier religious beliefs.
It is HE that wants to abolish democracy so the right kind of people can rule, with the right kind of thoughts, all according to an agenda he would set.
Such a moral person you would defend here...
Gee - what will he want next? That all Christians be forced to wear little yellow crosses before they are sent to the camps?
Or is his bigotry ok with you, too?
[link|http://forfree.sytes.net|
] Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Edited by imric
Jan. 10, 2005, 03:14:21 PM EST
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Post #189,623
1/10/05 3:20:09 PM
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So here's a question... (new thread)
Created as new thread #189622 titled [link|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=189622|So here's a question...]
"Here at Ortillery Command we have at our disposal hundred megawatt laser beams, mach 20 titanium rods and guided thermonuclear bombs. Some people say we think that we're God. We're not God. We just borrowed his 'SMITE' button for our fire control system."
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Post #189,723
1/11/05 2:20:26 AM
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Actually, Skippy, I wouldn't be too sure of that.
ImriSkip claims: It is MMOFFIT that is exhibiting the bigoted, Nazi tendencies here. Not that I've seen. It is he that would LITERALLY relegate people to being second-class citizens because of thier religious beliefs. Not necessarily, AFAICS. You see, they do that *themselves*, by *having* those stupid religious beliefs. HTH! It is HE that wants to abolish democracy so the right kind of people can rule, with the right kind of thoughts, all according to an agenda he would set. Don't we do that already? We don't, for instance, allow kids undfere eighteen to vote, because they're not mature enough to make that kind of decisions yet. And the clinically insane or debilitatingly retarded in most societies, AFAIK, don't have the vote either, because they're just not qualified to make that kind of decisions at all. Heck, you Yanks even take the vote away from criminals (well, convicts, anyway)! So, honestly, I can't actually see too much of a difference with disenfranchising the religious too, while you're at it. I mean, heck, could you explain to me how the phenomenon of actually believing that some invisible supernatural creature goes around deciding -- or *ought to* go around deciding -- what happens to everyone in the world; how exactly is that not the same as clinical insanity? Such a moral person you would defend here... Sure has seemed to be for all the years we've known him here, yes. Gee - what will he want next? That all Christians be forced to wear little yellow crosses before they are sent to the camps? Noo, hopefully not... But wouldn't it be awfully nice if they could do what you and I *and they themselves* all devoutly hope the backwards muslims would learn to do, and leave their religion out of the daily running of society here on Earth? Or is his bigotry ok with you, too? I'm not sure it *is* "bigotry" in the first place.
[link|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode|Christian R. Conrad]
(I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.)
Your lies are of Microsoftian Scale and boring to boot. Your 'depression' may be the closest you ever come to recognizing truth: you have no 'inferiority complex', you are inferior - and something inside you recognizes this. - [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=71575|Ashton Brown]
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Post #189,728
1/11/05 7:29:34 AM
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The difference...
I mean, heck, could you explain to me how the phenomenon of actually believing that some invisible supernatural creature goes around deciding -- or *ought to* go around deciding -- what happens to everyone in the world; how exactly is that not the same as clinical insanity? The clinically insane usually have beliefs that a bystander can easily prove to be wrong (your name is not being called on the radio). The religious have beliefs that may (or may not depending on your beliefs) seem ridiculous, but can't so readily be disproven. That is, the religious start with some odd conceptions, but their basic mental processing is generally (there are exceptions - some religious people are also insane) OK from there. And from their point of view the situation is reversed - they think that your conceptions are weird. See [link|http://www.perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=379224|http://www.perlmonks...pl?node_id=379224] for somewhat related commentary. Cheers, Ben I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
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Post #189,742
1/11/05 9:54:29 AM
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You rate that far too highly; out of some misplaced respect?
Ben T... ...quotes me:I mean, heck, could you explain to me how the phenomenon of actually believing that some invisible supernatural creature goes around deciding -- or *ought to* go around deciding -- what happens to everyone in the world; how exactly is that not the same as clinical insanity? The clinically insane usually have beliefs that a bystander can easily prove to be wrong (your name is not being called on the radio). Actually, the specific phenomenon I had in mind when I wrote the above was, "The Voices In My Head Are Telling me To..." -- which is much more of an exact parallel not only in how difficult it is to disprove, but in the whole general outline of the phenomenon: Religious people don't need any radio to hear Ghod/Jesus/Allah/Whoever either. The religious have beliefs that may (or may not depending on your beliefs) seem ridiculous, but can't so readily be disproven. Their "God" is just another voice in someone's head; of course it can't be any more easily disproven than any other voice in someone's head... Or IOW, it's absence can't be any more easily proven than any other negative. And why should we have to "disprove" *anything* they say, in the first place? *They* are the ones that are making the preposterous proposition, so as far as I'm concerned, the burden of proof is on *them*. Or should we go around taking any gibbering certifiable whacko's "Voices" for facts, until disproven, too? That is, the religious start with some odd conceptions, but their basic mental processing is generally (there are exceptions - some religious people are also insane) OK from there. I'd say the "conceptions" you *start* with are even more "basic" than the mental processing you then apply to them, so for all I can see the sum total of their reasoning is definitely *not* "OK". And from their point of view the situation is reversed - they think that your conceptions are weird. Yeah, but then -- as per the above -- they are nuts, so who gives a fuck what they think? I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother) So why is his name Ward, and not Tilly?
[link|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode|Christian R. Conrad]
(I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.)
Your lies are of Microsoftian Scale and boring to boot. Your 'depression' may be the closest you ever come to recognizing truth: you have no 'inferiority complex', you are inferior - and something inside you recognizes this. - [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=71575|Ashton Brown]
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Post #189,790
1/11/05 3:15:15 PM
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You haven't known many crazies, have you?
The fact that someone claims to hear voices in their head doesn't mean anything. Heck, I hear voices in my head - they say whatever I want them to. (I sometimes mentally rehearse an interaction, and while rehearsing it, I am able to choose to "hear" the whole interaction play out however I want it to.)
What marks someone as crazy is what the voices in their head say about the world. It doesn't tend to be subtle. And it does get in the way of their functioning.
Let's compare, for instance, your average paranoid schizophrenic with Larry Wall, devout Christian. Both are somewhat odd. (Have you seen pictures of how Larry dresses?) But the religious person is able to function in the world, talk at length making some sort of sense, can navigate where he wants to, and generally seems to be a fairly competent human being. Regardless of whether you or I agrees with his beliefs.
By contrast paranoid schizophrenics tend to wind up believing that they have to save the world. In the USA that tends to mean either they have a mission to kill the US president or to blow up the UN. Of the ones who try to blow up the UN, most do not manage to exit the train station without being taken into custody. (They draw attention with their muttering, confusion, and inability to conduct a coherent conversation.)
Now those are extreme examples, but the principle holds. Crazy people tend to be pretty obviously non-functional in society. Religious people tend to get along about as well as non-religious people. While I disagree with both groups, having dealt with members of both, it is pretty easy to recognize the difference.
Cheers,
Ben
PS I was born a Ward as well. My mother changed our names. He chose to change his back for personal reasons.
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
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Post #189,851
1/11/05 7:01:58 PM
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Crazy is as crazy does
By contrast paranoid schizophrenics tend to wind up believing that they have to save the world. In the USA that tends to mean either they have a mission to kill the US president or to blow up the UN. The world certainly does look more and more like it needs saving. And killing the president does seem like an important step in the process. Not sure about the UN. Am I crazy? Or the only sane one left?
"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein
"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
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Post #189,854
1/11/05 7:03:57 PM
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That's not something I'd say on the web these days.
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Post #189,855
1/11/05 7:04:08 PM
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only useful if he wont leave Jan 2009
you really want cheney without SOME pushback?
the republic will recover, we lived thru lincoln and nixon, we will survive Bush
regards,
daemon
that way too many Iraqis conceived of free society as little more than a mosh pit with grenades. ANDISHEH NOURAEE
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Post #189,942
1/12/05 1:36:53 PM
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Just a step
Obviously you can't stop there.
"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein
"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
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Post #189,837
1/11/05 6:06:46 PM
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Or should we go around taking any gibbering certifiable.....
Or should we go around taking any gibbering certifiable whacko's "Voices" for facts, until disproven, too? why not if it doesnt cost you anything? regards, daemon that way too many Iraqis conceived of free society as little more than a mosh pit with grenades. ANDISHEH NOURAEE
clearwater highschool marching band [link|http://www.chstornadoband.org/|http://www.chstornadoband.org/]
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Post #189,729
1/11/05 7:40:11 AM
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Well, Chris
He wants to prevent others from holding office because of their beliefs. He wants to police ideologies that differ with his own? Why not 'prevent' supply-siders, and greenfreaks from holding office as well? Their ideologies would end up in poverty and mass starvation, after all. But know, he pre-judges Christians as a group as 'dangerous'.
On the side, there ARE means to prevent people from holding office. It's called 'voting'. Democracy, remember?
You are so assured of your superiority that you should rule the majority despite what the actual people want. Amazing. What kind of mental disturbance is that?
I'm not surprised that you hold such opinions, though - in your own words, 'Christians' are insane. *chuckle*
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] Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #189,740
1/11/05 9:52:56 AM
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You make several good points; too bad you don't connect them
ImriSkip goes on: He [Mike Moffitt - CRC] wants to prevent others from holding office because of their beliefs. He wants to police ideologies that differ with his own? As if *you* wouldn't, in your heart of hearts, want to "police ideologies that differ with [your] own"? Feh and Bah -- don't even *try* to pull that one. So would I, for that matter. The only difference between me and, uhm... everybody else, in fact -- is that *my* ideology is the *correct* one. (If only people could *see* that... SIGH!) Why not 'prevent' supply-siders, and greenfreaks from holding office as well? Their ideologies would end up in poverty and mass starvation, after all. Actually, you've got a very good point there -- much better than you ever intended, I'm sure... But know, he pre-judges Christians as a group as 'dangerous'. "As a group", they undoubtedly are. On the side, there ARE means to prevent people from holding office. It's called 'voting'. Democracy, remember? Yeah, well... We've seen how well that works Over There, haven't we... You are so assured of your superiority that you should rule the majority despite what the actual people want. Amazing. What kind of mental disturbance is that? Oh, it has many names: Monarchy, aristocracy, oligarchy, despotism, dictatorship... You know, the system of government that's been humanity's de facto standard for most of its existence. And it'd work, too, if only the right person(*) were picked to be King. I'm not surprised that you hold such opinions, though - in your own words, 'Christians' are insane. *chuckle* Not only that, we're *dangerously* insane!
(*) Hint: His initials are "C. R. C.", and he wrote this post. HTH!
[link|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode|Christian R. Conrad]
(I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.)
Your lies are of Microsoftian Scale and boring to boot. Your 'depression' may be the closest you ever come to recognizing truth: you have no 'inferiority complex', you are inferior - and something inside you recognizes this. - [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=71575|Ashton Brown]
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Post #189,750
1/11/05 10:52:54 AM
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Actually
"As if *you* wouldn't, in your heart of hearts, want to "police ideologies that differ with [your] own"? Feh and Bah -- don't even *try* to pull that one." Believe what you will. I don't want to police ideologies that differ from my own. I don't want to tell anyone what to think. I might try to convince them to think what I do; I will never relegate a person to 'second-class' with fewer rights and a lower legal status because they believe in another ideology. "As a group", they undoubtedly are." Pre-judging an entire group by the actions of the few. I might as well say that "Since some Europeans are Nazis, Europeans as a group are dangerous". "You know, the system of government that's been humanity's de facto standard for most of its existence." You mean power granted to individuals and their families by priests? (dictatorships not sanctioned by religion never lasts long) Where the true leaders are religious ones? Hmmm. THAT works well. No, governemnt granted power by the people may be frustrating, it may let unscrupulous bozos into office, but it also provides the means to get them out; it prevents a (hopefully) well meaning few from tyrannizing a majority, and helps with "All men are created equal but some are more equal than others" syndrome. "Not only that, we're *dangerously* insane!" As a group? [link|http://forfree.sytes.net|
] Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #190,202
1/14/05 1:59:22 PM
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It's only correct...
The only difference between me and, uhm... everybody else, in fact -- is that *my* ideology is the *correct* one. (If only people could *see* that... SIGH!) It's only correct if the CRC matches..... jb4
shrub\ufffdbish (Am., from shrub + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf. BULLSHIT
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Post #189,853
1/11/05 7:03:40 PM
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Looks like...
>You are so assured of your superiority that you should rule the majority despite what the actual people want. Amazing. What kind of mental disturbance is that?
Bushitus.
"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein
"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
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Post #190,201
1/14/05 1:55:53 PM
1/14/05 1:58:15 PM
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And that differs from the Xian Fanactics how?
Lessee here now: He wants to prevent others from holding office because of their beliefs. Straight from a Foulwell/Robertson "sermon". He wants to police ideologies that differ with his own? You mean, a la Ashcroft and his ilk? You are so assured of your superiority that you should rule the majority despite what the actual people want. Texbook definition of fascism. All identifiable, undeniable attributes of the Wacko Christian Right. Skip, you have really gone off the deep end here. I've been following mmoffitt's railing about the Wacko Christian Right for a while now, and he has never said, nor even intimated those things. Mouthpieces from the Wacko Christian Right, on the other hand, have been saying thost things for, oh... say about 3 decades or so...about from the time of the run-up to the Reagan "presidency" till the present. And you, by trying vainly to assign to the critic those attributes that the critic finds in the Wacko Christian Right, makes you sound shrill and stupid (and wouldn't win you any points in a high-school debate, either!). Or is it that you, yourself are a card-carrying memvber of that self-same Wacko Christian Right, and subscribe to the same Big-Lie/Slander-Thy-Opponent tactics that has made political debate (for that matter, any debate) what it is today? We await your response.... jb4
shrub\ufffdbish (Am., from shrub + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf. BULLSHIT
Edited by jb4
Jan. 14, 2005, 01:58:15 PM EST
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Post #190,207
1/14/05 2:31:26 PM
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Nope. He HAS said those things. In our recent discussions.
> He wants to prevent others from holding office because of their beliefs.
Straight from a Foulwell/Robertson "sermon".
> He wants to police ideologies that differ with his own?
You mean, a la Ashcroft and his ilk?
> You are so assured of your superiority that you should rule the majority despite what the actual people want.
Texbook definition of fascism.
All identifiable, undeniable attributes of the Wacko Christian Right. That's what I find so amusing. The same flaws he bases his statements on the subject (of ALLOWING people to vote based on religion), HE is showing in spades. he has never said, nor even intimated those things Really. I've linked to three (there are more) of his statements in our recent discussion in Science; read up. [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=190185|http://z.iwethey.org...?contentid=190185] And you, by trying vainly to assign to the critic those attributes that the critic finds in the Wacko Christian Right, makes you sound shrill and stupid ROFL. Vainly? He's the one that supports making 'fundamentalists' second-class citizens banned from fully participating in the system. I am responding to his STATEMENTS on the subject; if you don't believe, read. He thinks that classes of people should be 'banned' from serving. Do yourself a favor and read this [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=189011|thread] before you accuse me of 'going off the deep end'. I'm simply responding to his anti-democratic and other extremist statements. [link|http://forfree.sytes.net|
] Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #190,232
1/14/05 5:24:56 PM
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Well-enough said, but arabesques The Question
Nobody here suffers from the simplistic mindset which imagines.. ~~ you could ""outlaw"" inanity, superstition, malevolent-inner-thoughts, vicious angst about Queers, womens' wombs, Sex etc.
-- In a pseudo-'democracy' like this one, or especially: in an Idealized realization of such a Mature/Adult culture as has never existed long amidst homo-saps.
{once pop-history has Male-rewritten-out all the Matriarchies and similar experiments; has invented the Wizard-of-Oz warted 'Witch' so's to put the final nail in Those coffins, etc.}
So you can't make That {whatever That IS} "illegal". We See This / D'Oh.<<
What I Thought Mike was attempting to address, and what I Thought I was elsewhere attempting to address -- is a matter which has not before come So-close to realization in our semi-theocracy / Full-Corporatocracy / in this land we wrested from its occupants by genocidal and other despicable means:
WHAT IF - a 'majority' decides to -effectively- NULLIFY the Constitution?
ie Make Permanent
-- like ever-rising Tax 'Reduction' for the rich / $10 for the cubicle-dwellers kinda stuff
-- like screw habeas corpus
-- like Indefinite Incarceration sans any access to The Law
-- [like fuck up the tort system so you Couldn't ___, even then]
-- like Gerrymandering {cf. Texas/Lay et al} so there can never again BE a Non-Repo governorship.
-- like [how many more needed: alphabetically or chronologically, since Ronnie Populist?]
ie: WHAT IF the recent assaults on the fabric of this Idea of the US 'Republic' are *seen* to be setting-in-concrete?
(I submit that the Answer to such a situation is within the very Constitution: Rebellion is not merely accorded respectability: it is ADVOCATED. And that's a big Q.E.D.) But that is AFTER a coup has become *formalized*; ex-post-facto <<
This does not answer the Question: *pre-Revolution*
There may not Be an obvious one; we might just have to Innovate.
WHAT ARE OUR OPTIONS / Are there Any? / to PREVENT
the concretization of recent Anti-Constitutional Acts, not-yet reviewed by a USSC:
>> Whose very 'impartiality' ie its {greatly reduced RESPECT via Y2K Selection process} may become palpably as bogus as are the machinations of the Radical Cabal? who have seduced a populace, one manifestly manipulable (today) via polished propaganda of G\ufffdbbelsian kind. (How does one prove prevalence of incapacitating gullibility hmmm?)
The F-Fathers never envisaged some %huge of the population merely resigning from Citizenshp; never imagined a few shiny beads / toys would work as well on Muricans as they did on the natives.
How's that for Cosmic Irony?
I (still) believe this is no fantastical What-If, in light of a mere Four Years;
the secretive closing of even past-Presidential papers from DAY ONE set the theme;
the 'personal' obsessions with Saddam - proven now: active from the First Day, too.
the daily dissembling since, via barely decipherable bafflegab advances that theme.
This bellicose Appointed Cabal is daily altering the voting regions
== Gerrymandering towards Permanent, unassailable Occupancy.
So then, shall 'we' suffer analysis paralysis until - it's Gloks, firebombs with Phlogiston, on the Street?
[I know how to Make those]
Natch, I think we Will - I've lived here a large number of decades {shudder}, I recall well My Gramma - and these PNAC people ARE HER. We Never Learn because Muricans don't know even their own history. We are the mentally-laziest creatures on the planet, except for: Getting $$ By Any Means We Can. Our {actual} God == greed.
cha cha cha
Have a nice {pre-Chaos} day :-)
I much prefer evanescent sweet-Reason to heaped dead burned bodies, too.
But all our wise folks died / key ones assassinated .. and the new crew are simply fucking atavistic Primitives. Plugged into that tape loop, I Know I'm Righteous.
Where's Death when ya needs Terry's lovely-One Live?
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Post #190,256
1/14/05 9:47:40 PM
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What you thought Mike was trying to address ...
was precisely what Mike was trying to address. I've been struggling, unsuccessfully, to put it simply and may have discovered it. "Is American democracy tenable when the majority decide American democracy is without merit? And if it is not, should democracy be destroyed in order to save it?"
bcnu,
Mikem
Eine Leute. Eine Welt. Ein F\ufffdhrer.
(Just trying to be accepted in the New America)
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Post #190,258
1/14/05 10:05:12 PM
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And you still set yourself up as 'elite'
Both of you.
You both believe you are "more equal than others".
[link|http://forfree.sytes.net|
] Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #190,264
1/14/05 10:34:03 PM
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Please see post where you told me to ;0)
bcnu,
Mikem
Eine Leute. Eine Welt. Ein F\ufffdhrer.
(Just trying to be accepted in the New America)
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Post #190,267
1/14/05 10:54:35 PM
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*grin* Link there, then!
[link|http://forfree.sytes.net|
] Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #190,386
1/16/05 2:35:10 PM
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**chuckle** Follow your own rules, then. ;0)
bcnu,
Mikem
Eine Leute. Eine Welt. Ein F\ufffdhrer.
(Just trying to be accepted in the New America)
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Post #190,242
1/14/05 7:25:37 PM
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Fair enough
IWETHEY is just too big for me (at least) to keep track of everybody's posting history. In the links you referenced, I see the statements you referred to. That thread is way too long for me to catch up on it now. So I now understand your irritation.
However, in this thread, in a whole new forum, there is none of that. Responding to mmoffitt's post here with invective based on unfinished business there does tend to confuse and confound even the regulars, doncha think?
Furthermore, even if you were responding to something in this thread, the reductio ad absurdum form of debate is getting a little tired; even BeeP is not using it as much... ;-)
jb4
shrub\ufffdbish (Am., from shrub + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf. BULLSHIT
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Post #190,251
1/14/05 8:32:03 PM
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I know.
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[link|http://forfree.sytes.net|
] Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #190,229
1/14/05 4:39:40 PM
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Hmm. Methinks a full thread reading is in ord-ah.
including all links and references to discussions in other forums and including all related posts in those as well.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
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Post #189,625
1/10/05 3:38:35 PM
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In this case it's not bigotry, it's common sense.
Two out of three people wonder where the other one is.
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Post #189,628
1/10/05 3:54:51 PM
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I wouldn't have said a word
If the sentence hadn't charactererised all Fundamentalist Christians in a sinister manner, while displaying his clearly bigoted opinions in another forum.
Let me make myself clear here - Teaching religion in public schools at the expense of science is something I would consider to be amoral, wrong, and foolish.
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ATM we are 'discussing' the new world order he wants in the 'Conflict' forum, and I'm afraid he got under my skin.
[link|http://forfree.sytes.net|
] Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #189,629
1/10/05 3:59:44 PM
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Ah, hadn't read Conflict forum, makes more sense now.
Two out of three people wonder where the other one is.
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Post #190,197
1/14/05 1:41:01 PM
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If a statement like that is all it takes...
..to be labelled an anti-christian, then there are a lot more of us than you'd like to think about!
jb4
shrub\ufffdbish (Am., from shrub + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf. BULLSHIT
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