Perhaps you are all forgetting Japan and the end of W-II ?

Post #18,895 by Ashton 11/19/01 11:14:09 PM Reply	Perhaps you are all forgetting Japan and the end of W-II ? We restructured everything including such er social mores about women n' such as the hand-wringing is about, here. Please review the role of one Gen. Douglas Mac Arthur as, the New God - replacing Hirohito. Many.. most? came to 'love' him, too - just as a few years later: they revered and still revere W. Ernest Demming: for showing them the way to a consumer's heart. (Murican bizness took much longer even to simulate this attitude, we notice. Remember the US cars of the '80s ??) Anyone who believes that 'the Good' cannot drive out the Badness.. sometimes: is the Paragon of Pessimism. And perhaps a bit wimpish? Ashton
Post #18,897 by Another Scott 11/19/01 11:27:24 PM Reply	Nit: W. Edwards Deming. [link\|http://www.deming.org/\|[link\|http://www.deming.org/\|http://www.deming.org/]] My step mom went to one of his seminars a few years ago when he was in his 90s. I think he died a few years ago. (He'd be 101 now.) Cheers, Scott.
Post #18,901 by Ashton 11/19/01 11:41:33 PM Reply	Thanks - bookmarked. Neat guy all around.
Post #18,948 by inthane-chan 11/20/01 11:38:28 AM Reply	Um, hate to be the one to break it to you, Ashton... ...but Japan has most definitely NOT reformed it's attitude towards women, at least not where it counts. Yeah, there's a lot of "surface speak" about respecting women, and hey, a few have gotten quite far in the society... But look under the surface, and you'll find that things haven't changed much. Witness the rise of "compensated dating" - middle-aged business men paying school girls to do all kinds of weird crap - as well as the more traditional kinds of sexism. I've known quite a few Japanese women, a fair number of whom's parents had arranged marriages set up for them that they weren't at all interested in, yet were still going ahead with because "it is what a woman does." Marital infidelity is sky-high over there - it's practically expected of the husband to have an affair or two on a regular basis. Women are still beaten by their husbands, rapes pretty much go unreported, and the "glass ceiling" is still firmly in place. Although, one has to admit, that isn't all that different from the United States. :) "He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Post #18,983 by Ashton 11/20/01 2:11:35 PM Reply	Sorry if I gave the impression that Anyone via most any sort of 'suggestive' process: could reverse ethnic conditioning - meant only: just insofar ~as most.. pay lip-service to the US Constitution (without actually meaning it - when Their ox is gored, or that Green person moves in next door, or that Entrepreneur buys the block ...) Simply: women got to vote and stuff, and the overt versions of what you decribe: were forced to inhabit that shadowy space in all cultures -- between what you now sorta know you oughtn't(?) to do: but Do with the usual wink-wink- with The Boys, as in - "This is Ms. Anderson, the PhD in molecular biology up for the ACS Medal, a brown belt in karate and member of the BOD - also on the Mayor's board for redrawing of the city Constitution..." (Him) "Wow, check the ass on That chick.." No, we aren't the only immature group in the species - we just know our hometown stuff better than the others. And I'm aware of some of the variants of sexual immaturity rampant in J. males; however: some of them do at least appear to comprehend the difference between 'erotica' and porno, whereas only US females comprehend That difference. Mostly. It's a tough call there. The French, Italians could give lessons to both (unless Americanized, Japanized at an early age). My 8\ufffd lire

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