Post #188,302
12/27/04 2:21:13 PM
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Your prediction WILL come true.
Won't stop Novell dying.
I've never seen a company so determined to fail.
Oh, wait.
DEC.
Peter
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Post #188,312
12/27/04 3:35:53 PM
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Yep. DEC == Novell.
And I really miss DEC. Never got to work w/one IRL, but in school, that's what we had. I won't miss Novell AT ALL. Have an acquaintance at s.u.s.e. and I sent him an email - basically a With Sympathy card - when I heard of Novell's acquisition. He replied that he was retiring to a life of beer, women and song.
I know the old saying about CA being the place where software goes to die, but I think IBM and Novell are trying to out-do CA.
bcnu,
Mikem
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Post #188,393
12/28/04 12:04:05 PM
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Not that I disagree with you...
They are doing the same thing IBM is doing now with Linux. How can you say BAD Novell and Good IBM in the same vein.
Novell may well reach Niche status again, but Messman is really trying to change that status. Trying to get the "Old Guard" to invent again, rather than laying around on the butts they have.
The thinning, is going on... being replaced with people that work on things as core developers like GNOME, KDE, Linux Kernel, GCC, amoung other projects as well.
I don't foresee the problems you are seeing. Of course, you don't have contacts in Novell like I do. There is a new world order forming inside that company... something good, something based more on GOOD common-sense. Not-Invented-Here syndrome has surprisingly declined tremendously. There is now an air of using something, and going from there, fixing things in the underlying stuff and submitting upstream. Most of the stuff is being accepted by upstreams, as well.
We have yet to have Grygus opine.
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Post #188,405
12/28/04 2:44:51 PM
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Here's how.
IBM has business sense. IBM could find an angle to sell low-temperature aqueous products, with a support contract, to the Inuits.
Novell doesn't. They've got a great product but suffer from DEC Disease; they think it will sell itself.
Peter
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Post #188,446
12/28/04 11:01:38 PM
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SJVN at eWeek on Novell
[link|http://www.eweek.com/print_article2/0,2533,a=141646,00.asp|Here]: In the meantime, Novell made several mistakes. The first was that a small group of developers, the so-called Superset, controlled NetWare. No one, not even Novell founder Ray Noorda, could order the Superset around.
Like many other techies, the Superset programmers were great at technology but didn't know the first thing about marketing. So for example, for the longest time, Drew Major, the father of NetWare, opposed a management GUI for NetWare. As administrators turned more and more to GUIs\ufffdthanks in large part to NT\ufffdNetWare, with its X:\\ command-line prompt interface, looked less and less current.
[...]
The bottom line is that while users want improvements, they don't want radical change. So it is that I think Novell has a real chance to become a major server player again.
With OES, users can either use their reliable, improved NetWare kernel, or give the (to my way of thinking) better SuSE Linux kernel a try. In any case, though, the NetWare services they've known and used for years remain the same. Novell is giving its customers significant system improvements without forcing them to change.
I like this approach a lot, and I strongly suspect that Novell's customers\ufffdthe ones who are still with it, the ones who gave up on it a long time ago and the new ones to come\ufffdare going to like it, too. Let's hope. Cheers, Scott.
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Post #188,467
12/29/04 9:30:13 AM
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Kinda tells you exactly what I know.
-- [link|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net|greg], [link|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ iwetheyNo matter how much Microsoft supporters whine about how Linux and other operating systems have just as many bugs as their operating systems do, the bottom line is that the serious, gut-wrenching problems happen on Windows, not on Linux, not on Mac OS. -- [link|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1622086,00.asp|source]Here is an example: [link|http://www.greymagic.com/security/advisories/gm001-ie/|Executing arbitrary commands without Active Scripting or ActiveX when using Windows]
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