air passengers demand it. Government supplies it

Post #188,157 by daemon 12/25/04 8:58:16 PM Reply	air passengers demand it. Government supplies it at least they can do it with a clue. I dont think we need any more security than a secure cockpit, do that, get rid of checking for shit and the most you lose is one airliner and whatever it drops on. More efficient air travel less stress. regards, daemon that way too many Iraqis conceived of free society as little more than a mosh pit with grenades. ANDISHEH NOURAEE clearwater highschool marching band [link\|http://www.chstornadoband.org/\|http://www.chstornadoband.org/]
Post #188,256 by mmoffitt 12/27/04 10:55:55 AM Reply	What's needed is already in place ... and it's got nothing to do with the TSA, special screenings, hand searchs or any of the rest of the idiocy that comprises the TSA. Pre 9/11, pilots were told to obey hijackers, be courteous to them and follow their instructions. That ain't the case anymore and that's all that really needed to change. Those goddamned - get to the airport two hours early so we can look up your ass with our million dollar microscopes - rules have done nothing. Not one goddamned hijacking has been avoided for all those TSA "officers" being in every damned airport in the country. We, the People, gave up a ton of privacy for absolutely nothing at all. But the change in attitude by the flight crew (and passengers) has made it vastly more unlikely we'll ever see a repeat of 9/11. All the enhanced security has accomplished (including air marshals) is to make flying commercial a collosal PITA and make more people spend more time behind the wheels of their goddamned SUV's when/if they travel. bcnu, Mikem Eine Leute. Eine Welt. Ein F\ufffdhrer. (Just trying to be accepted in the New America)
Post #188,263 by Simon_Jester 12/27/04 11:20:31 AM Reply	We won't see a repeat of 9/11 exactly for the reason you describe. Flight crews (and passengers) won't tolerate it again. The days of hijacking an aircraft (for any reason) are over. However, the screening are necessary. We should be following the Israel airline's security model. The next step for terrorists is to smuggle a bomb on the aircraft and blow it up.
Post #188,265 by inthane-chan 12/27/04 11:26:53 AM Reply	The problem with that is that 9/11 raised the bar. Blow up a plane? You'll only get 100-300 people, plus whoever is underneath when it goes off. Yeah, it will piss people off, but it won't have the same emotional impact as watching the videos of those two planes plunging into the WTC. I'm waiting for the first mass cargo plane hijacking. "Here at Ortillery Command we have at our disposal hundred megawatt laser beams, mach 20 titanium rods and guided thermonuclear bombs. Some people say we think that we're God. We're not God. We just borrowed his 'SMITE' button for our fire control system."
Post #188,289 by mmoffitt 12/27/04 1:53:29 PM Reply	Cargo planes? No, no. It's us bad old GA pilots next. Just ask the pinheads at TSA & DHS. It'd be a hell of a lot worse for us if it wasn't for AOPA. But I hear enough from the old timers about how it used to be to know that we've lost a lot of ground already. Hell, we've lost ground in the short time I've been flying (3 years). One of the flight instructors at my local airport is fond of saying, "You know? I bet you won't believe this, but I actually remember when this was a free country." More to come I'm afraid and worse, it's what the majority of Sheeple want. bcnu, Mikem Eine Leute. Eine Welt. Ein F\ufffdhrer. (Just trying to be accepted in the New America)
Post #188,372 by tuberculosis 12/28/04 4:35:42 AM Reply	I don't see why - most of GA fleet lacks capacity to do real damage. A 182 loaded with all the fuel and dynamite it can drag off the ground would have only wrecked a couple suites in the WTC. "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein "This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
Post #188,465 by mmoffitt 12/29/04 9:19:52 AM Reply	Xactly. But you'd never know that based on DHS/TSA policies, would you? I mean, hell, look at the new requirements for turning CFI's at small country airports into de facto Immigration agents? And immediately post-9/11, GA was grounded longer than either commercial or cargo traffic. Just take a look at the idiotic ADIZ or any of the plethora of "Temporary" flight restricted areas for GA in place now for over three years. bcnu, Mikem Eine Leute. Eine Welt. Ein F\ufffdhrer. (Just trying to be accepted in the New America)
Post #188,287 by mmoffitt 12/27/04 1:49:48 PM Reply	Screening only keeps honest people honest. bcnu, Mikem Eine Leute. Eine Welt. Ein F\ufffdhrer. (Just trying to be accepted in the New America)

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