"And by the way, it was you, not I, who insinuated that military tribunals are less just just than civilian, in that rant of yours."

Note the use of the word "secret" that you keep skipping over.

A "secret" military tribunal may be as "just" as an open civilian trial.

BUT YOU WILL NEVER KNOW.

"Brandioch, not only haven't you got a case, but you haven't got the courtesy to admit it."

No. Unlike you, I do not blindly accept that the government has my best interests at heart. Nor do I trust that it is "just" or "fair" or anything else.

Unlike you, I know there is a reason why we have public trials in this country.

"All you can do is twist your opponent's words."

What I'm doing is asking you if you believe what you're saying.

Simply tell me that you trust the government to operate in secret in the best interests of the citizens.

Just do that.

And I will tell you about certain drug operations our government engaged in to fund certain illegal operations in another country.

Or maybe I'll tell you about certain weapons deals our government has made.

Or maybe I'll tell you about government experiments on military personnel.

"By resorting to these tactics, and so early, you have demonstrated that you are defeated."

That's right. Keep telling me I'm defeated because you know that the government has NOT acted in the best interests of the citizens before AND that these actions are done IN SECRET.

Then tell me that the government NEEDS to do MORE in SECRET to "protect" the citizens.

"It's the perfect cover for those who can't defend their opinions on merit."

Whatever. Keep believing in the all caring, completely trustworthy government that will continue to conduct operations in secret.

Simply put, I don't trust the government to handle this in secret
AND
You do trust the government to handle this in secret.

Denial is just a river to you.

For your information, the Nuremburg trials are publicly available.

Not secret.

But that doesn't matter to you because you trust the government to operate in secret.