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Post #18,579 by ChrisR 11/16/01 2:39:43 PM Reply	Bush Sr. As cynical as it may be, I think Bush's strategy for winning the next election is to insure that the current war doesn't end before then. Perhaps he learned a lesson from dad, where the Iraq victory was too quick and didn't last into his bid against Clinton?
Post #18,582 by Ashton 11/16/01 3:07:15 PM Reply	And then.. the difference between how our system Actually operates (when enough distractions/excuses are around) - and.. Theirs is -
Post #18,600 by inthane-chan 11/16/01 8:15:13 PM Reply	What really concerns me... ...is not the "short term" damage - this war needs to go on until the problem is solved. It's the long term damage that has me concerned. If they want a war, why not declare it, and then invoke "war powers?" With this "undeclared" war, the executive is setting a very dangerous trend by unilaterally discovering all kinds of powers that they did not previously have. The danger comes when some further president uses this precedent to supress dissent within the country itself - and there is no immediate way to stop him, since very few people are challenging the president this time around. "He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Post #18,614 by Steve Lowe 11/17/01 12:31:13 AM Reply	I seem to recall That a similar power grab by the executive was enacted sometime in the '30s and never recinded. There may well already be precedent. Not saying I agree with it, and I most certainly share your fears..off to do a little Googling.. ----- Steve

Sen. Leahy has curious objections to military tribunals - (marlowe) - (26) - Nov. 16, 2001, 12:50:02 PM EST

I think - (JayMehaffey) - (15) - Nov. 16, 2001, 02:30:10 PM EST

Bush Sr. - (ChrisR) - (3) - Nov. 16, 2001, 02:39:43 PM EST

And then.. the difference between - (Ashton) - Nov. 16, 2001, 03:07:15 PM EST

What really concerns me... - (inthane-chan) - (1) - Nov. 16, 2001, 08:15:13 PM EST

I seem to recall - (Steve Lowe) - Nov. 17, 2001, 12:31:13 AM EST

Ah...but there's the rub. - (jb4) - (10) - Nov. 19, 2001, 10:57:05 AM EST

A-yup. - (inthane-chan) - (4) - Nov. 19, 2001, 12:51:27 PM EST

Declare war against whom/what? - (Another Scott) - (3) - Nov. 19, 2001, 01:27:47 PM EST

Didn't know that. - (inthane-chan) - (2) - Nov. 19, 2001, 01:39:24 PM EST

"To the shores of Tripoli..." - (Another Scott) - (1) - Nov. 19, 2001, 02:09:16 PM EST

Hmmm Cato Institute - (Ashton) - Nov. 19, 2001, 08:52:55 PM EST

Re: Ah...but there's the rub. - (wharris2) - (4) - Nov. 19, 2001, 12:59:51 PM EST

I have to agree... - (Simon_Jester) - Nov. 19, 2001, 01:06:16 PM EST

Korea. VietNam. - (jb4) - (2) - Nov. 19, 2001, 01:40:13 PM EST

War Powers - (ChrisR) - Nov. 19, 2001, 02:09:49 PM EST

Parsing, parsing - (wharris2) - Nov. 19, 2001, 09:09:47 PM EST

My problem is the secret part,,, - (bepatient) - (3) - Nov. 16, 2001, 03:17:03 PM EST

Ya gotta stop that, Beep... - (jb4) - (2) - Nov. 19, 2001, 11:01:20 AM EST

Don'tcha... - (bepatient) - (1) - Nov. 19, 2001, 02:44:26 PM EST

More than you can POSSIBLY know! ;-) -NT - (jb4) - Nov. 19, 2001, 03:27:32 PM EST

You are (as usual) missing the point: - (CRConrad) - (5) - Nov. 20, 2001, 09:49:21 PM EST

The other point - (wharris2) - Nov. 20, 2001, 09:58:26 PM EST

Reciprocity -- what a concept! - (a6l6e6x) - (3) - Nov. 20, 2001, 09:58:47 PM EST

Only, in reverse... -NT - (CRConrad) - Nov. 20, 2001, 10:11:05 PM EST

Golden Rule sucks - (drewk) - (1) - Nov. 21, 2001, 11:23:22 AM EST

Or, do onto others before they do on to you! :) -NT - (a6l6e6x) - Nov. 21, 2001, 11:38:44 AM EST

None shall pass!
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