I was lost until you updated your personal page.

Post #183,975 by Another Scott 11/13/04 9:03:38 AM Reply	I was lost until you updated your personal page. I saved the Admin page from a week or so back with the new IP numbers, etc., but as a check to see if the machines were up I was pinging the new numbers and doing nslookups on the new numbers and on z.iwethey.org and getting no response. I also occasionally tried [link\|http://66.80.246.9n\|http://66.80.246.9n] but that mostly didn't work either (I'd get a Forbidden page). Since I was getting no response or not getting in, I figured there were problems. But I could reach [link\|http://www.gregfolkert.net\|http://www.gregfolkert.net] without any trouble I wasn't sure what was going on. I knew of the local hosts file but didn't think I needed to do anything to it if I knew the destination IP numbers. After adding the IP number and z to my host file, everything came up just fine. This strikes me as a little mysterious, but that shows my lack of understanding of how all of this stuff works. A hand-holding page that's visible during z's downtime would be very helpful for those of us who are a little dense. ;-) E.g. with information like the stuff recently added to the top of your personal page. It's been a long few days, let me tell you! I'm slowly recovering from LRPD withdrawal. So far, the new arrangement seems nice and snappy, but I've only looked at about 10 pages so far. Thanks for your help! Cheers, Scott. (Who's using Win2k in Virginia.)
Post #183,985 by folkert 11/13/04 9:59:00 AM Reply	I am using... Named Based Virtual Hosting. So I could have 60,000 names attached to this IP Address. But if you come looking for stuff with a name rather than the IP addr... You will get what you are looking for. Well, anyway. I'll leave that on there in a less obvious way once things settle down. -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* No matter how much Microsoft supporters whine about how Linux and other operating systems have just as many bugs as their operating systems do, the bottom line is that the serious, gut-wrenching problems happen on Windows, not on Linux, not on Mac OS. -- [link\|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1622086,00.asp\|source] Here is an example: [link\|http://www.greymagic.com/security/advisories/gm001-ie/\|Executing arbitrary commands without Active Scripting or ActiveX when using Windows]
Post #183,994 by Nightowl 11/13/04 12:33:52 PM Reply	Not a bad idea A hand-holding page that's visible during z's downtime would be very helpful for those of us who are a little dense. ;-) E.g. with information like the stuff recently added to the top of your personal page. Since we lost our Yahoo group that used to keep us somewhat posted during downtimes, it might be nice to have a separate webpage somewhere that isn't dependent on IWT's servers to post updated info when Z is down. Not sure how you would accomplish it, but it sounds like a good idea. :) It's been a long few days, let me tell you! I'm slowly recovering from LRPD withdrawal. Relax Scott, you've once again been reunited with the mighty LRPD. ;) Brenda "It's not where a person stands in time of comfort and security, but rather where they stand in times of strife and controversy that determine true friends." (Quote sent to me by a true friend, author unknown).
Post #184,111 by deSitter 11/15/04 1:16:03 PM Reply	Likewise - thanks Skip -drl
Post #184,149 by Ashton 11/15/04 7:27:59 PM Reply	Heh, as a fellow__'Admin please help' one - I did at least recall the horrors that an obsolete hosts file entry can do: all those, No One Home messages. Scott's kindly response with the . . . . numbers included a hosts reminder. He be so good.. But - I don't see (either) why pasting in the numerical addy would not have worked in most cases? Yes, I read Greg's explanation of the n! sub-locations within his customized hierarchy.. or IS that so 'customized'? I'm merely guessing that Greg organizes to a more perceptive degree than do most biz-folk, always in a Rush. Know only that I've been successful using numerical addy garnered via Who Is and such utils, entered directly as URL. While hosts file allegedly saves a few MSec evading Lookup - I mainly use mine "negatively": to send ads.doubleclick et al directly to /null; so far this seems to have worked well, Maybe? saving the time for filters to do ~ the same, but with an extra round trip. (Maybe I don't need to know the details of the exceptions.. should that require grokking the entire TCP enchilada, IP Tables and VPNs. Zzzzz)
Post #184,154 by admin 11/15/04 7:34:36 PM Reply	Zope thing Zope requires me to set the base URL for every page so that the Apache rewrites work. As a result, every page's links include "z.iwethey.org", and only that will work. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #184,155 by Another Scott 11/15/04 7:39:51 PM 11/15/04 9:25:33 PM Reply	Unable to resolve host. Er, I think Greg and Ben and Drew explain why we couldn't see the box (even though we knew the IP number). Once we can see the box, then the Zope stuff comes into play. Right? Hmmm, this sounds like a [link\|http://httpd.apache.org/docs/vhosts/name-based.html\|FAQ]. Cheers, Scott. Edited by Another Scott Nov. 15, 2004, 09:25:33 PM EST Expand All History
Post #184,199 by folkert 11/15/04 9:27:58 PM Reply	Noope. DNS resolves the IP. The Browser sends the name it wants to the webserver... Apache knows the content pointer and serves the proper content. -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* No matter how much Microsoft supporters whine about how Linux and other operating systems have just as many bugs as their operating systems do, the bottom line is that the serious, gut-wrenching problems happen on Windows, not on Linux, not on Mac OS. -- [link\|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1622086,00.asp\|source] Here is an example: [link\|http://www.greymagic.com/security/advisories/gm001-ie/\|Executing arbitrary commands without Active Scripting or ActiveX when using Windows]
Post #184,201 by Another Scott 11/15/04 9:32:47 PM Reply	Ok then, why didn't ping work? Have you got ping turned off on knight? If so, is that some sort of security or performance tuning that gurus do? In other words, if one is confronted with a situation like this in the future - no ping response, no nslookup response, no DNS entry - is there a way to know if the machine you're trying to reach is alive? Thanks. Cheers, Scott.
Post #184,204 by folkert 11/15/04 9:35:12 PM Reply	At the Firewall I deny all ICMP. tcptraceroute. -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* No matter how much Microsoft supporters whine about how Linux and other operating systems have just as many bugs as their operating systems do, the bottom line is that the serious, gut-wrenching problems happen on Windows, not on Linux, not on Mac OS. -- [link\|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1622086,00.asp\|source] Here is an example: [link\|http://www.greymagic.com/security/advisories/gm001-ie/\|Executing arbitrary commands without Active Scripting or ActiveX when using Windows]
Post #184,207 by Another Scott 11/15/04 9:40:09 PM Reply	D'oh! No Winders! Yer not makin it easy to stay on Win32.
Post #184,209 by folkert 11/15/04 9:45:43 PM Reply	It is not my wish, to force you off Win32. It is my job, to force you off Win32! -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* No matter how much Microsoft supporters whine about how Linux and other operating systems have just as many bugs as their operating systems do, the bottom line is that the serious, gut-wrenching problems happen on Windows, not on Linux, not on Mac OS. -- [link\|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1622086,00.asp\|source] Here is an example: [link\|http://www.greymagic.com/security/advisories/gm001-ie/\|Executing arbitrary commands without Active Scripting or ActiveX when using Windows]
Post #184,212 by Another Scott 11/15/04 10:19:28 PM Reply	:-)
Post #184,200 by daemon 11/15/04 9:29:55 PM Reply	not ed zachery [link\|http://1.1.1.0\|http://1.1.1.0] gives you the base machine name port 80 [link\|http://z.iwethey.org\|http://z.iwethey.org] (how you "matched" the ip to the name in the hosts file) port 80 gets the Z stuff because apache listening there goes "Oh he wants mr foo because I am a call forwarding http page service" regards, daemon that way too many Iraqis conceived of free society as little more than a mosh pit with grenades. ANDISHEH NOURAEE clearwater highschool marching band [link\|http://www.chstornadoband.org/\|http://www.chstornadoband.org/]
Post #184,203 by Another Scott 11/15/04 9:34:42 PM Reply	I see now. HTTPd has to respond to the connection request. That explains why the browser connections didn't work. But see above for more questions. :-) Cheers, Scott.
Post #184,185 by ben_tilly 11/15/04 8:53:44 PM Reply	Nope See Greg's response below. It is not that you get z.iwethey.org but with everything broken. It is that you get Greg Folkert's personal page instead of z.iwethey.org. Which is a vhosts thing. Not that Zope wouldn't break as well, it just never gets the chance to. Cheers, Ben I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
Post #184,191 by drewk 11/15/04 9:01:18 PM Reply	ICLRPD (new thread) Created as new thread #184190 titled [link\|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=184190\|ICLRPD] === Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link\|http://DocHope.com\|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats]. [link\|http://DocHope.com\|http://DocHope.com]
Post #184,175 by folkert 11/15/04 8:31:41 PM Reply	It is called named Based VHosting Apache excels at it many orders of magnitude better than the Beast's product. It makes all the difference. If your browser sends "I call you 66.80.246.91" you will get the first vhost listed. Funny how that seems to be mine... funny that. Now, you change what your browser sends "I call you z.iwethey.org" Apache will look at the hostnames it knows about and will respond with the proper content. -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* No matter how much Microsoft supporters whine about how Linux and other operating systems have just as many bugs as their operating systems do, the bottom line is that the serious, gut-wrenching problems happen on Windows, not on Linux, not on Mac OS. -- [link\|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1622086,00.asp\|source] Here is an example: [link\|http://www.greymagic.com/security/advisories/gm001-ie/\|Executing arbitrary commands without Active Scripting or ActiveX when using Windows]
Post #184,179 by drewk 11/15/04 8:46:10 PM Reply	Think of vhosting as the last line of DNS All DNS does is turn a name into a number. But what it's for is to connect you to the right system. If DNS for a dozen (or a hundred, or a thousand) different names all resolve to the same number, the box that answers to that number has to decide which directory hosts that "system". So the vhost configuration in Apache is just the last link in DNS, turning a name into a pointer to the right content. === Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link\|http://DocHope.com\|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats]. [link\|http://DocHope.com\|http://DocHope.com]

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