The fucking people I try to help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Post #182,943 by Nightowl 11/4/04 8:55:31 PM 11/4/04 8:56:57 PM Reply	The fucking people I try to help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am so frustrated right now, I could just spit hellfire. I try and try and TRY to have the blasted patience to cope with certain persons I give a fuck about, but bottom line, they turn around again and call you a damn liar, subversive, and fucking whatever they can come up with.... I'm done. I'm DONE with his abuse, I'm DONE with his mental problems, I'm just plain FUCKING DONE. I can't care anymore, I can't take the bullshit, I can't take the crap.... I have to detatch before it takes me with him... Lord knows... I tried. I really really REALLY tried. (sigh). Brenda (The extremely frustrated owl) Edit: P.S. Disclaimer: This post is not about anyone currently posting here, just venting. "It's not where a person stands in time of comfort and security, but rather where they stand in times of strife and controversy that determine true friends." (Quote sent to me by a true friend, author unknown). Edited by Nightowl Nov. 4, 2004, 08:56:57 PM EST Expand All History
Post #182,952 by daemon 11/4/04 9:28:54 PM Reply	helping someone is for your own gratification if they dont like it fuck them its not on you. So shine them on their way and if they come around snivelling smile, nod and ignore them. regards, daemon that way too many Iraqis conceived of free society as little more than a mosh pit with grenades. ANDISHEH NOURAEE
Post #182,974 by Nightowl 11/4/04 11:14:31 PM Reply	True but I was also helping him so that maybe he would not be up here antagonizing and fucking with everyone and perpetuating his persecution complex, so I had you all in mind too. But I'm doing just that, Daemon. The only thing I haven't done is kick him out of my group, and I guess I'll just wait and see what he does before going that far. But I'm not debating, arguing, or discussing it with him, and I made that clear. I'm DONE. D O N E done. Brenda "It's not where a person stands in time of comfort and security, but rather where they stand in times of strife and controversy that determine true friends." (Quote sent to me by a true friend, author unknown).
Post #182,954 by ben_tilly 11/4/04 9:38:17 PM Reply	If you don't want us to read between the lines... don't try to walk such a fine one. Edit: P.S. Disclaimer: This post is not about anyone currently* posting here, just venting.* That said, I sympathize. Cheers, Ben I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
Post #182,972 by Nightowl 11/4/04 11:12:20 PM Reply	Yeah, I realize that this time... But I was trying not to mention him. But bottom line, I'm done with Norman, Orion, or whoever the heck he is today. I quit his psycho friends group, and I quit the support group we were both in working on the problems together. I'm sorry, I tried to help him, I tried to be there as a friend, I tried to keep finding the patience, but today was the last straw. So I'm done. I've washed my fucking hands of him, and he can screw up his life without me there to watch. Brenda "It's not where a person stands in time of comfort and security, but rather where they stand in times of strife and controversy that determine true friends." (Quote sent to me by a true friend, author unknown).
Post #182,976 by Another Scott 11/4/04 11:24:51 PM Reply	FOWL! Er, FOUL! 30 yard penalty. *PLEASE, let's not have another thread about NK, okay? I was taught that it's not polite to talk about people behind their back. If the urge strikes again, please* beat it back as you would in pursuit of someone who slashed the tires, smashed the windows, and egged your Furry 3. Thank you. Cheers, Scott.
Post #182,981 by folkert 11/4/04 11:38:34 PM Reply	No need to talk behind his back. He does it himself. I am sorry Brenda got to this point I got to about 1 year ago. Now, Brenda, nobody can say you didn't try. Try you did. I have called him, sent him encouragement, called his dad (the Big version I mentioned earlier) and talked with him. He is Just Plain unreachable anymore. Left field would be WAY closer. Right now, he is in the Wooden benches of the cheap seats of the cheap seats... Hell the barkers don't even go there. Sorry you are at the point many of us have gotten to with him. -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* No matter how much Microsoft supporters whine about how Linux and other operating systems have just as many bugs as their operating systems do, the bottom line is that the serious, gut-wrenching problems happen on Windows, not on Linux, not on Mac OS. -- [link\|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1622086,00.asp\|source] Here is an example: [link\|http://www.greymagic.com/security/advisories/gm001-ie/\|Executing arbitrary commands without Active Scripting or ActiveX when using Windows]
Post #182,985 by Nightowl 11/5/04 12:06:13 AM Reply	I'm sorry Greg, I didn't mean to That was why I just posted a general post with no names. I had to scream somewhere, right now he can read it anywhere else. Granted, he can read it here, but he hasn't been here lately, far as I know. I am sorry Brenda got to this point I got to about 1 year ago. Now, Brenda, nobody can say you didn't try. Try you did. Thanks, that does help, really. I have called him, sent him encouragement, called his dad (the Big version I mentioned earlier) and talked with him. He is Just Plain unreachable anymore. Left field would be WAY closer. Right now, he is in the Wooden benches of the cheap seats of the cheap seats... Hell the barkers don't even go there. Sorry you are at the point many of us have gotten to with him. Yeah, me too, but I just can't handle the stress of trying and trying anymore. Maybe I'm giving up too soon, but I just don't need it. Anyway, I'm sorry I bothered anyone with it, I just needed to be able to rant a little, rather than post what I was really WANTING to say in their group. It wouldn't have done any good, and I knew that. Thanks for the support, and if he reappears here, all I can say is I'm really really sorry. Brenda "It's not where a person stands in time of comfort and security, but rather where they stand in times of strife and controversy that determine true friends." (Quote sent to me by a true friend, author unknown).
Post #182,999 by n3jja 11/5/04 1:32:24 AM Reply	Uhmm..... I am sorry Brenda got to this point I* got to about 1 year ago.* I believe I tried to tell a lot of you people a couple of years ago that you were nothing more than enablers; that you needed to cut him loose. I saw this coming a long time ago, but noone wanted to listen. Some people will not be helped and will (maybe not intentionally) try to take you with them. He certainly tried to take this place with him. Yes, I'm a heartless bastard. BFD. Get over it. We're all better off without him. Thanks for playing..... drive through....
Post #183,079 by ben_tilly 11/5/04 11:58:14 AM Reply	You weren't the only person doing that... Some things people really have to learn for themselves. Cheers, Ben I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
Post #183,085 by pwhysall 11/5/04 12:19:53 PM Reply	Yes, yes. You told us so. OK, you were (and are) 100% right. Now piss off, you wanker. :-D Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home]
Post #183,164 by n3jja 11/5/04 8:35:19 PM Reply	Excuse me? Now piss off, you wanker. I thought I was a colonial baboon. :-D Make up your fucking mind...... wanker. ;-)
Post #183,166 by ben_tilly 11/5/04 8:41:32 PM Reply	From one colonial baboon to another You're a wanker. Now piss off. Ben I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
Post #183,167 by n3jja 11/5/04 8:47:53 PM Reply	You've got a better chance of the Second Coming. :-)
Post #182,988 by Nightowl 11/5/04 12:07:21 AM Reply	I apologize, Scott. There's really nothing to have a thread about anyway. I just wanted to scream and vent somewhere relatively safe. I'm done with him, so there's nothing to discuss. Brenda "It's not where a person stands in time of comfort and security, but rather where they stand in times of strife and controversy that determine true friends." (Quote sent to me by a true friend, author unknown).
Post #183,000 by pwhysall 11/5/04 1:47:59 AM Reply	We understand. We really do. I’m glad you’ cutting your losses. Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home]
Post #183,360 by Nightowl 11/7/04 1:28:40 PM Reply	Erasing Orion forever -- and a heads up to IWT After talking to my pastor and the congregation today, they helped to free me from any guilt of getting this "crazy" person out of my life, and encouraged me to remove him from my own group. That would be about the final thing I can do to convince him I'm serious, because neither him nor Tony seem to be taking me seriously that I want this to end NOW. So I will be removing him from my group today. And as soon as I figure out how to block people in my Yahoo email and main email, I will be doing that as well. I already removed both Norman and Tony from my IM and blocked them there, so I'm on the way. I realize Norman also has my phone number and address etc, but I'll handle those as they occur, I guess. This will mean that he will only be able to access me here or on Affinity BBS, but I'll be darned if he's gonna run me off either group. Affinity is fairly dead anyway, and I will do my absolute best to ignore him if he or any of his many personas show up here and pull shit. I figure you all would handle that anyway, I won't have to do anything, because you don't want him here any more than I do. Believe it or not, my pastor even said to tell Orion to finish the job and get it over with, because two years is too long for me to have put up with this crap. I'm not going to go that far, but I am going to say this: I will always care about Norman, because I'm a caring human being, and I've known him a long time. But I have ceased to care about his actions, his behavior, his problems, his alter egos, and honestly, his suicide games. Maybe that will get through, maybe not. There will be a few changes I will make to my group temporarily so that no more "Orion alter egos" get in there, which I will explain to the membership there. I hope you all will support me in this decision, I know that it's high time that I need to do it. And the quicker I get him erased from my life, my groups, my mail and my brain, then I won't need to post or talk about it and get support for it. I'm already feeling in less need of support because the church erased my guilt, how's that for a breakthrough! So heads up, in case he comes here, and it's liable to get worse before it gets better, but I promise I'm going to do my utmost to make it stop. Brenda P.S. Reply if you want, offer support and encouragement if you want, flame me if you want, (especially you Ross), cause frankly after the last two days and nights I've had, I don't give a flying fuck. "It's not where a person stands in time of comfort and security, but rather where they stand in times of strife and controversy that determine true friends." (Quote sent to me by a true friend, author unknown).
Post #183,406 by daemon 11/7/04 9:19:31 PM Reply	Is you pastor's name Jimbo? that way too many Iraqis conceived of free society as little more than a mosh pit with grenades. ANDISHEH NOURAEE
Post #183,411 by Nightowl 11/7/04 9:52:34 PM Reply	Nope. :) Believe it or not, his name is John. Nightowl >8# "It's not where a person stands in time of comfort and security, but rather where they stand in times of strife and controversy that determine true friends." (Quote sent to me by a true friend, author unknown).

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