The Democratic Party has proved once again . .

Post #182,461 by Andrew Grygus 11/3/04 10:13:43 AM Reply	The Democratic Party has proved once again . . . . that going up against a bad candidate without a viable candidate at all is unlikely to win an election, that going up against a bad but coherent message with an incoherent message is unlikely to win an election, and going up with both a non-viable candidate and an incoherent message is a certain loss. They lost to W, they lost to Arnold, they lost to W again and they lost plenty more. The Democratic Party is now useful only to the facists as something to point to when they say "see, we have democracy". I doubt they can find candidates of sufficient quality to mount a credible presidential bid again, because who'd want to run as a Democrat? A loser? The two party system is over. [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #182,508 by jb4 11/3/04 12:46:42 PM Reply	Well, look to Illinois Where the Banana Republicans have self-destructed to an extent that Terry McAuliffe could only dream about. If the Dems are smart, they'll watch the rebuilding of the BR party in Illinois, and follow that path in lockstep with their national party. jb4 shrub\ufffdbish (Am., from shrub* + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf.* BULLSHIT
Post #182,519 by bepatient 11/3/04 1:30:24 PM Reply	Thanks Cause I tried pointing this out and got yelled at for it. If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. _{Fudd's First Law of Opposition} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #182,554 by daemon 11/3/04 5:06:13 PM Reply	na, skank in 4 especially if her old man croaks, now on the repo side who do they have, Jeb? He doesnt want it although he probably would do okay. Name a likely repo from the squirrel side of the house that is runnable. regards, daemon that way too many Iraqis conceived of free society as little more than a mosh pit with grenades. ANDISHEH NOURAEE
Post #182,564 by ben_tilly 11/3/04 6:07:07 PM Reply	8 years ago I wouldn't have named George Bush Anyone else in his mode I wouldn't name today either - because they aren't runnable with voters like me. As you may have noticed, there are enough voters who aren't like me that they are runnable... Cheers, Ben I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
Post #182,646 by Silverlock 11/3/04 10:01:41 PM Reply	Hillary will never run for pres She saw the boos when she spoke after 9-11. She's anything but stupid. If she ran it would guarantee the most rabid of the right wing would come out in force. Much too polarizing. Now if you want a truly possible nominee, I submit Richard Durbin. Not well known on the national stage but neither was Bill Clinton. ----------------------------------------- How do you convince a Washington Journalist that you're not slapping him in the face? Tell him you're not.
Post #182,664 by JayMehaffey 11/3/04 10:29:49 PM Reply	Sad thing is The sad things is, the way politics and campaigns are in the US now, being an unknown is an advantage. If you have any real history at all, it will be picked up and picked over to death. Only someone that hasn't done much could have as consistant and boring a history as is needed to seem electable now. Jay
Post #182,670 by drewk 11/3/04 10:35:49 PM Reply	Even sadder I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if the DNC decides to run her anyway. === Implicitly condoning stupidity since 2001.
Post #182,671 by admin 11/3/04 10:36:31 PM Reply	Truth. I'd vote against her in a primary. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #182,768 by ChrisR 11/4/04 11:08:46 AM Reply	And the winner is..... LBJ => Veep Nixon => Veep Ford => Veep Carter => Governor Reagan => Governor Bush => Veep Clinton => Governor Bush II => Governor The pattern here is pretty obvious. Don't nominate someone who's serving in the Senate or House of Representatives. They are considered tainted goods due to their voting record. This means that Hillary won't do. Go find some Governor who's never had to vote on a national issue. Heck, if it weren't for the 22nd amendment, Arnold would be a shoe-in for the Repubs. The Dems are going to have to find some Governor from the midwest. Or they'll have to have Gore run again.
Post #182,796 by jb4 11/4/04 12:45:19 PM 11/4/04 12:46:16 PM Reply	Has nothing to do with the 22nd Amendment Try Article II Section 1 Clause 5: No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States. The 22nd amendment says Duh cannot run again. [Edit: typos] jb4 shrub\ufffdbish (Am., from shrub* + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf.* BULLSHIT Edited by jb4 Nov. 4, 2004, 12:45:55 PM EST Edited by jb4 Nov. 4, 2004, 12:46:16 PM EST Expand All History
Post #182,818 by ben_tilly 11/4/04 1:45:07 PM Reply	Jeb can though And I hear that he has Florida all sewn up already. Cheers, Ben I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
Post #182,819 by jb4 11/4/04 1:46:10 PM Reply	Wow! I didn't know he knew VBA! Mebbe I can get him to help me on this little side project I'm working on in Access.... jb4 shrub\ufffdbish (Am., from shrub* + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf.* BULLSHIT
Post #182,600 by marlowe 11/3/04 8:02:30 PM Reply	The two-party system is self-healing. This has happened before lots of times in American history. It always sorts itself out and we have two major parties again. Just not always the same two we started with. The Democrats can recover from this. But they have to make a lot of changes. If they don't, they will be replaced by some other party. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Memo to Democrats and to the Left: hatred is not a substitute for vision. "All the news you wish would go away" [link\|http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/index.html\|http://www.angelfire...arlowe/index.html]
Post #182,716 by tuberculosis 11/4/04 12:41:20 AM Reply	RE: Sig >Memo to Democrats and to the Left: hatred is not a substitute for vision. Superstition-based Xenophobia is not a substitute for compassion. "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein "This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
Post #182,754 by Simon_Jester 11/4/04 9:49:57 AM Reply	d00d...where are you coming from? My god...even I didn't declare the death of the Republican Party when Clinton was elected. (The 2nd time around, no less) Yes, Democrats lost. But it was also a very tight race with the country split damn near 50/50.
Post #182,763 by admin 11/4/04 10:10:35 AM Reply	No kidding... When you almost get beaten by a liberal senator from Massachusetts, you can't exactly claim, "Mandate". All the election showed is what happens when you put a bad incumbent against a bad candidate. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #182,859 by lincoln 11/4/04 4:32:02 PM Reply	Unfortunately This morning I heard an announcer on a conservative radio station actually throwing around the word "mandate" more than once. I'm afraid that there will be a lot of people who have the same sentiments in the Repo party. lincoln "Windows XP has so many holes in its security that any reasonable user will conclude it was designed by the same German officer who created the prison compound in "Hogan's Heroes." - Andy Ihnatko, Chicago Sun-Times [link\|mailto:bconnors@ev1.net\|contact me]
Post #182,862 by admin 11/4/04 4:43:57 PM Reply	That's the word of the day. I've heard it quite a few times around here. Me: Mandate. larf Them: But, this is the highest number of people who have ever voted for a President! Me: Not percentage wise, it isn't. Them: But, he won over 50% of the vote! First time since 1988! Me: Uh, all that reflects is the fact that no one was willing to vote for a 3rd party candidate. There weren't any Naders or Perots that could siphon off enough votes to drop everyone below 50%. Them: It's still a mandate! Me: Dude, he barely beat a liberal senator from Massachusetts, and half the country can't stand him. Them: 4 more years! 4 more years! sigh Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #182,872 by a6l6e6x 11/4/04 5:39:40 PM Reply	Yeh, and Gore had mandate in 2000! :) Alex In politics, what begins in fear usually ends in folly. -- Samuel Taylor Coleridge, poet (1772-1834)

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