Post #181,984
11/1/04 12:05:50 PM
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Not exactly spreading democracy, are we?
"The logic is: You flatten Fallujah, hold up the head of Fallujah, and say 'Do our bidding, or you're next,' "
Source: [link|http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/1029/p01s02-woiq.html|http://www.csmonitor.../p01s02-woiq.html]
It sounds like we really don't know what to do, except continue to take out our frustrations on civilians. This has happened before....
[link|http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0670842966/qid=1099328640/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/102-0899558-4272968?v=glance&s=books|http://www.amazon.co...?v=glance&s=books]
"...This is a gut-wrenching inquiry into the tragedy at My Lai on March 16, 1968 when U.S. Army troops slaughtered some 500 Vietnamese villages--killings, described here in hideous detail, accompanied by widespread rapes, torture and mutilations."
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Post #181,993
11/1/04 12:31:28 PM
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Do our bidding,
as in "don't blow up a celebration of opening of new water filtration station"? Some seriously hard bidding to do...
Face it: every time Fallujah gets sealed off, the death toll on Iraqi civilians goes down.
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This guy's ahead of his time! He's using quantum programming methods: in universes where invalid data is passed to this function, it does not return. Thus you are ensured that you will only have valid data after calling it. Optimally you'd destroy the universe on failure, but computers haven't quite advanced to that level yet.
-- [link|http://thedailywtf.com/archive/2004/10/26/2920.aspx|The] Daily WTF
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Post #182,019
11/1/04 2:02:49 PM
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Just think how much it'll go down
when we leave.
bcnu,
Mikem
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt."
-Bertrand Russell
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Post #182,086
11/1/04 6:02:41 PM
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It will go up decidedly when we leave
time to have a quick vote a ceremony and get the fuck out of dodge.
regards,
daemon
that way too many Iraqis conceived of free society as little more than a mosh pit with grenades. ANDISHEH NOURAEE
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Post #182,206
11/2/04 9:59:36 AM
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Are you naive or what
No, I can't believe you are _that_ naive. Do you truly believe that they will stop killing when we leave?
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This guy's ahead of his time! He's using quantum programming methods: in universes where invalid data is passed to this function, it does not return. Thus you are ensured that you will only have valid data after calling it. Optimally you'd destroy the universe on failure, but computers haven't quite advanced to that level yet.
-- [link|http://thedailywtf.com/archive/2004/10/26/2920.aspx|The] Daily WTF
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Post #182,263
11/2/04 2:21:59 PM
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Of course not.
I was being a smartass and forgot to explicitly say so. No one in the ME has been able to stop killing other non-believers-in-precisely-the-way-I-believe in thousands of years. However, clearly the 100,000 or so per year that WE kill will go down precipitously. ;0)
bcnu,
Mikem
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt."
-Bertrand Russell
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Post #182,278
11/2/04 2:57:27 PM
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Yeah, killing used to be Saddam's responsibility
Why did we have to take it over?
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This guy's ahead of his time! He's using quantum programming methods: in universes where invalid data is passed to this function, it does not return. Thus you are ensured that you will only have valid data after calling it. Optimally you'd destroy the universe on failure, but computers haven't quite advanced to that level yet.
-- [link|http://thedailywtf.com/archive/2004/10/26/2920.aspx|The] Daily WTF
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Post #182,283
11/2/04 3:40:43 PM
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Yeah.
Things are so much better now that we are more like Saddam.
bcnu,
Mikem
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt."
-Bertrand Russell
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Post #182,029
11/1/04 2:47:40 PM
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Thanks - was looking for that. Seymour Hersh on NPR
yesterday re [link|http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2004/10/11_hersh.shtml| this interview]. Investigative journalist Seymour Hersh spills the secrets of the Iraq quagmire and the war on terror
By Bonnie Azab Powell, NewsCenter | 11 October 2004
[image|http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2004/10/images/hersh50.jpg||||]
Watch the Webcast: Seymour Hersh, 1 hour 22 minutes
BERKELEY \ufffd The Iraq war is not winnable, a secret U.S. military unit has been "disappearing" people since December 2001, and America has no idea how irreparably its torture of Iraqis at Abu Ghraib prison has damaged its image in the Middle East. These were just a few of the grim pronouncements made by Pulitzer Prize\ufffdwinning investigative reporter Seymour "Sy" Hersh to KQED host Michael Krasny before a Berkeley audience on Friday night (Oct. 8).
The past two years will "go down as one of the classic sort of failures" in history, said the man who has been called the "greatest muckraker of all time" and (paradoxically) the "enfant terrible of journalism for more than 30 years." While Hersh blamed the White House and the Pentagon for the Iraq quagmire and America's besmirched world image, he was stymied by how it all happened. "How could eight or nine neoconservatives come and take charge of this government?" he asked. "They overran the bureaucracy, they overran the Congress, they overran the press, and they overran the military! So you say to yourself, How fragile is this democracy?"
From My Lai to Abu Ghraib
That fragility clearly unnerves him. Hersh summarizes his mission as "to hold the people in public office to the highest possible standard of decency and of honesty\ufffdto tolerate anything less, even in the name of national security, is wrong." He tries his best. More than any other U.S. journalist alive today, he embodies the statement that "a patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government," a belief defined by the conservationist Edward Abbey.
[MUCH ... more] This whole extravaganza is too surreal for social-fiction . . . not even the pulps would have published the plot of US behavior 2000-2004.
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