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Post #181,521 by mmoffitt 10/28/04 3:51:56 PM Reply	Sorry, forgot one word. When I said "belief" I meant "religious belief/conviction". Which in the case of fundamentalist Christians, it is. I know you better than to think that you would actually advocate legislating fundamentalist Christian beliefs, but you're close to doing that here. bcnu, Mikem "The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." -Bertrand Russell
Post #181,533 by ben_tilly 10/28/04 4:37:37 PM Reply	You don't know me very well then For I do indeed support the right of fundamentalist Christians to attempt to legislate their beliefs, where those beliefs are Constitutional. (Of course I also support efforts to make those attempts fail where I disagree with those beliefs.) I likewise support the right of murderers and rapists to get legal representation. (Even while I deplore murder and rape.) My reasons why were very eloquently expressed in A Man for all Seasons, you can find the relevant passat at [link\|http://www.radix.net/~bbrown/amfas.html\|http://www.radix.net/~bbrown/amfas.html]. (If you've seen the movie, then you'll appreciate the irony of Roper being the one arguing for cutting down laws to achieve your ends.) Cheers, Ben I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
Post #181,536 by bepatient 10/28/04 4:47:27 PM Reply	Commandments About as funamentalist as you get. There's some laws in there. If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. _{Fudd's First Law of Opposition} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]

Dumbest political statement of the season... - (jb4) - (70) - Oct. 28, 2004, 09:27:02 AM EDT

Re: anti-choice but silence on adoption. - (mmoffitt) - (69) - Oct. 28, 2004, 10:52:51 AM EDT

Talked to a Bush supporter yesterday. - (admin) - (51) - Oct. 28, 2004, 10:57:47 AM EDT

I, too, had a chat with some one. - (mmoffitt) - (50) - Oct. 28, 2004, 11:05:35 AM EDT

It was allowed because it _IS_ - (ben_tilly) - (49) - Oct. 28, 2004, 11:22:17 AM EDT

So, being pro-life is also being pro-big Government... - (jb4) - (39) - Oct. 28, 2004, 11:28:20 AM EDT

Huh? -NT - (bepatient) - (38) - Oct. 28, 2004, 12:27:00 PM EDT

Anti-abortion laws are government regulations-think about it -NT - (ben_tilly) - (37) - Oct. 28, 2004, 12:34:52 PM EDT

But ... - (bepatient) - (36) - Oct. 28, 2004, 12:59:58 PM EDT

Huh? - (ben_tilly) - (35) - Oct. 28, 2004, 01:44:55 PM EDT

The original federal charter - (bepatient) - (11) - Oct. 28, 2004, 01:50:21 PM EDT

Except that it was. - (inthane-chan) - (2) - Oct. 28, 2004, 01:53:03 PM EDT

As with any good warm-up - (bepatient) - Oct. 28, 2004, 02:05:54 PM EDT

Supporting Bill's original statement - (ben_tilly) - Oct. 28, 2004, 02:54:17 PM EDT

Oh, you mean like the 2000 election... - (jb4) - (5) - Oct. 28, 2004, 02:03:55 PM EDT

Find one - (bepatient) - (4) - Oct. 28, 2004, 02:22:29 PM EDT

Result not important, the action is! - (jb4) - (3) - Oct. 28, 2004, 02:33:46 PM EDT

Why are you blaming me? - (bepatient) - (2) - Oct. 28, 2004, 02:38:05 PM EDT

It's clear now, you don't understand basic rhetoric! - (jb4) - (1) - Oct. 28, 2004, 03:42:48 PM EDT

Interesting - (bepatient) - Oct. 28, 2004, 04:40:35 PM EDT

Then you are making a judgement - (ben_tilly) - (1) - Oct. 28, 2004, 04:29:05 PM EDT

Not the first time - (bepatient) - Oct. 28, 2004, 04:50:06 PM EDT

OK, here's the BeeP Rosetta Stone - (jb4) - (22) - Oct. 28, 2004, 02:01:25 PM EDT

You have the wrong guy. - (bepatient) - (21) - Oct. 28, 2004, 02:20:33 PM EDT

This Rosetta Stone far antedates the "Bush Revolution" - (jb4) - Oct. 28, 2004, 02:34:46 PM EDT

Re: You have the wrong guy. - (pwhysall) - (4) - Oct. 28, 2004, 02:45:14 PM EDT

C'mon...read the polls. - (bepatient) - Oct. 28, 2004, 03:06:31 PM EDT

I wouldn't brag. - (mmoffitt) - (2) - Oct. 28, 2004, 03:53:14 PM EDT

Who's bragging? - (pwhysall) - (1) - Oct. 29, 2004, 03:08:18 AM EDT

You'd be insecure, too. - (mmoffitt) - Oct. 29, 2004, 10:43:30 AM EDT

I thought Libertarians were pro-choice? -NT - (Simon_Jester) - (1) - Oct. 28, 2004, 06:03:59 PM EDT

They are. - (bepatient) - Oct. 28, 2004, 06:11:30 PM EDT

Oh, come on... - (danreck) - (12) - Oct. 28, 2004, 06:30:12 PM EDT

Its simple, really. - (bepatient) - (11) - Oct. 28, 2004, 06:48:50 PM EDT

I've gone that way in the past, but not this time. - (Another Scott) - (10) - Oct. 28, 2004, 08:44:41 PM EDT

Except... - (admin) - (6) - Oct. 28, 2004, 07:33:08 PM EDT

a lot of people vote in both places :-) -NT - (daemon) - (1) - Oct. 28, 2004, 07:51:49 PM EDT

vote early, vote often -NT - (ChrisR) - Oct. 28, 2004, 07:55:47 PM EDT

D'oh! I knew that. My excuse-he talks about Philly too much. -NT - (Another Scott) - (3) - Oct. 28, 2004, 08:39:44 PM EDT

Jersey burbs of Philly. -NT - (bepatient) - (2) - Oct. 28, 2004, 08:42:55 PM EDT

Over by the Delaware-Water Gap? -NT - (Simon_Jester) - (1) - Oct. 28, 2004, 08:44:04 PM EDT

Actually... - (bepatient) - Oct. 28, 2004, 08:49:55 PM EDT

Jersey still about 8 points... - (bepatient) - (2) - Oct. 28, 2004, 08:41:49 PM EDT

worried around here, we had edwards Yesterday - (daemon) - Oct. 28, 2004, 09:03:53 PM EDT

Andrew Tanenbaum says NJ is tied 42:42. You voted yet? - (Another Scott) - Nov. 2, 2004, 02:32:45 PM EST

Sorry, it is not. - (mmoffitt) - (8) - Oct. 28, 2004, 02:38:45 PM EDT

So... - (bepatient) - Oct. 28, 2004, 02:41:56 PM EDT

Church vs State - a recap for your benefit - (ben_tilly) - (3) - Oct. 28, 2004, 03:20:09 PM EDT

Sorry, forgot one word. - (mmoffitt) - (2) - Oct. 28, 2004, 03:51:56 PM EDT

You don't know me very well then - (ben_tilly) - Oct. 28, 2004, 04:37:37 PM EDT

Commandments - (bepatient) - Oct. 28, 2004, 04:47:27 PM EDT

God can't have anything to do with it - (tuberculosis) - (2) - Oct. 28, 2004, 03:28:19 PM EDT

Complicating factor of money - (bepatient) - Oct. 28, 2004, 03:34:53 PM EDT

Amen. -NT - (mmoffitt) - Oct. 28, 2004, 03:42:30 PM EDT

One quick google.. - (bepatient) - (16) - Oct. 28, 2004, 10:59:33 AM EDT

Some one else? Jerry Falwell, perhaps? -NT - (mmoffitt) - (1) - Oct. 28, 2004, 11:06:13 AM EDT

If you want... - (bepatient) - Oct. 28, 2004, 01:02:25 PM EDT

How 'bout the pResident's brother, JEB! - (jb4) - (13) - Oct. 28, 2004, 11:24:27 AM EDT

Not surprised at all - (bepatient) - (8) - Oct. 28, 2004, 01:01:34 PM EDT

But would it surprise you to see... - (jb4) - (7) - Oct. 28, 2004, 01:24:30 PM EDT

No...what surprises me... - (bepatient) - (6) - Oct. 28, 2004, 01:52:38 PM EDT

Agreed -- NOT limited to FL & TX - (jb4) - (5) - Oct. 28, 2004, 02:06:02 PM EDT

Aren't you in TX? - (bepatient) - (4) - Oct. 28, 2004, 02:23:33 PM EDT

Not in your life! - (jb4) - (1) - Oct. 28, 2004, 02:35:45 PM EDT

oops. My mistake...I knew that. -NT - (bepatient) - Oct. 28, 2004, 02:40:31 PM EDT

Texas is as self-centered in the U.S. - (ChrisR) - (1) - Oct. 28, 2004, 02:35:53 PM EDT

One does not hand out Repo endorsements "right & left" - (jb4) - Oct. 28, 2004, 03:47:09 PM EDT

Actually they encourage abandonment, not abortion... - (Simon_Jester) - (3) - Oct. 28, 2004, 06:06:33 PM EDT

better than bodies in dumpsters during prom night -NT - (daemon) - (2) - Oct. 28, 2004, 06:42:17 PM EDT

That's nine months AFTER prom night. -NT - (inthane-chan) - (1) - Oct. 28, 2004, 06:48:30 PM EDT

not in joisey - (daemon) - Oct. 28, 2004, 06:51:48 PM EDT

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