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New It's clear now, you don't understand basic rhetoric!
OK, here's how its normally done:

Person1: Makes wild-assed statement including generalities that are passed off as fact.

Person2: Refutes WAS with specific counterexample, thereby conclusively demonstrating WAS was, indeed, not a fact.


Here's what happens in a BeeP thread:

BeeP: Makes wild-assed statement including generalities that are passed off as fact.

Other IWETHEYer: Refutes WAS with specific counterexample, thereby conclusively demonstrating WAS was, indeed, not a fact.

BeeP: Changes subject, interjects a varied and sublime mix of invective, red herrings and straw men, which purports to reinforce assertion that WAS is fact.

Other IWETHEYers: Tells BeeP to knock off red herrings, straw men and ignores invective; tells BeeP to get back on subject.

BeeP: Complains that Other IWETHEYer has changed subject when s/he refuted WAS with specific counterexample, thereby conclusively demonstrating WAS was, indeed, not a fact.

Rinse. Repeat.

Now that I understand how that peculiar variant of BeeP Rhetoric works, I (and others here) can be forwarned and forarmed.
jb4
shrub\ufffdbish (Am., from shrub + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf. BULLSHIT

New Interesting
That you were the one making the wild-assed generalization that started this tangent...and then you changed the subject...yet you are blaming me for all of these things.

I'm honored to be such a focus of your delusional reality.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition

[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
     Dumbest political statement of the season... - (jb4) - (70)
         Re: anti-choice but silence on adoption. - (mmoffitt) - (69)
             Talked to a Bush supporter yesterday. - (admin) - (51)
                 I, too, had a chat with some one. - (mmoffitt) - (50)
                     It was allowed because it _IS_ - (ben_tilly) - (49)
                         So, being pro-life is also being pro-big Government... - (jb4) - (39)
                             Huh? -NT - (bepatient) - (38)
                                 Anti-abortion laws are government regulations-think about it -NT - (ben_tilly) - (37)
                                     But ... - (bepatient) - (36)
                                         Huh? - (ben_tilly) - (35)
                                             The original federal charter - (bepatient) - (11)
                                                 Except that it was. - (inthane-chan) - (2)
                                                     As with any good warm-up - (bepatient)
                                                     Supporting Bill's original statement - (ben_tilly)
                                                 Oh, you mean like the 2000 election... - (jb4) - (5)
                                                     Find one - (bepatient) - (4)
                                                         Result not important, the action is! - (jb4) - (3)
                                                             Why are you blaming me? - (bepatient) - (2)
                                                                 It's clear now, you don't understand basic rhetoric! - (jb4) - (1)
                                                                     Interesting - (bepatient)
                                                 Then you are making a judgement - (ben_tilly) - (1)
                                                     Not the first time - (bepatient)
                                             OK, here's the BeeP Rosetta Stone - (jb4) - (22)
                                                 You have the wrong guy. - (bepatient) - (21)
                                                     This Rosetta Stone far antedates the "Bush Revolution" - (jb4)
                                                     Re: You have the wrong guy. - (pwhysall) - (4)
                                                         C'mon...read the polls. - (bepatient)
                                                         I wouldn't brag. - (mmoffitt) - (2)
                                                             Who's bragging? - (pwhysall) - (1)
                                                                 You'd be insecure, too. - (mmoffitt)
                                                     I thought Libertarians were pro-choice? -NT - (Simon_Jester) - (1)
                                                         They are. - (bepatient)
                                                     Oh, come on... - (danreck) - (12)
                                                         Its simple, really. - (bepatient) - (11)
                                                             I've gone that way in the past, but not this time. - (Another Scott) - (10)
                                                                 Except... - (admin) - (6)
                                                                     a lot of people vote in both places :-) -NT - (daemon) - (1)
                                                                         vote early, vote often -NT - (ChrisR)
                                                                     D'oh! I knew that. My excuse-he talks about Philly too much. -NT - (Another Scott) - (3)
                                                                         Jersey burbs of Philly. -NT - (bepatient) - (2)
                                                                             Over by the Delaware-Water Gap? -NT - (Simon_Jester) - (1)
                                                                                 Actually... - (bepatient)
                                                                 Jersey still about 8 points... - (bepatient) - (2)
                                                                     worried around here, we had edwards Yesterday - (daemon)
                                                                     Andrew Tanenbaum says NJ is tied 42:42. You voted yet? - (Another Scott)
                         Sorry, it is not. - (mmoffitt) - (8)
                             So... - (bepatient)
                             Church vs State - a recap for your benefit - (ben_tilly) - (3)
                                 Sorry, forgot one word. - (mmoffitt) - (2)
                                     You don't know me very well then - (ben_tilly)
                                     Commandments - (bepatient)
                             God can't have anything to do with it - (tuberculosis) - (2)
                                 Complicating factor of money - (bepatient)
                                 Amen. -NT - (mmoffitt)
             One quick google.. - (bepatient) - (16)
                 Some one else? Jerry Falwell, perhaps? -NT - (mmoffitt) - (1)
                     If you want... - (bepatient)
                 How 'bout the pResident's brother, JEB! - (jb4) - (13)
                     Not surprised at all - (bepatient) - (8)
                         But would it surprise you to see... - (jb4) - (7)
                             No...what surprises me... - (bepatient) - (6)
                                 Agreed -- NOT limited to FL & TX - (jb4) - (5)
                                     Aren't you in TX? - (bepatient) - (4)
                                         Not in your life! - (jb4) - (1)
                                             oops. My mistake...I knew that. -NT - (bepatient)
                                         Texas is as self-centered in the U.S. - (ChrisR) - (1)
                                             One does not hand out Repo endorsements "right & left" - (jb4)
                     Actually they encourage abandonment, not abortion... - (Simon_Jester) - (3)
                         better than bodies in dumpsters during prom night -NT - (daemon) - (2)
                             That's nine months AFTER prom night. -NT - (inthane-chan) - (1)
                                 not in joisey - (daemon)

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