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New Civil War
[link|http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/opinion/10023151.htm?1c|http://www.miami.com...n/10023151.htm?1c]

On the eve of the most important election in this nation since 1860, one gets the feeling the contest isn't about two men vying to be president, but about two passionate factions of the citizenry locked in a struggle for America's conscience.

Rhetorically speaking, America is engaged in its second Civil War.
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[link|http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/10/24/1098556297684.html?oneclick=true|http://www.smh.com.a...tml?oneclick=true]

At first I did not buy this theory of the growing Red and Blue gulf. It seemed too facile, a media fad about an old cultural fault line. Then I had a good look at the last presidential election. And I changed my mind. There is a divide between the Red and the Blue in America, and it is growing more pronounced.
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[link|http://www.axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/article_12763.shtml|http://www.axisoflog...ticle_12763.shtml]

Bruce Bartlett, a domestic policy adviser to Ronald Reagan and a treasury official for the first President Bush, told me recently that ''if Bush wins, there will be a civil war in the Republican Party starting on Nov. 3.'' The nature of that conflict, as Bartlett sees it? Essentially, the same as the one raging across much of the world: a battle between modernists and fundamentalists, pragmatists and true believers, reason and religion.

''Just in the past few months,'' Bartlett said, ''I think a light has gone off for people who've spent time up close to Bush: that this instinct he's always talking about is this sort of weird, Messianic idea of what he thinks God has told him to do.'' Bartlett, a 53-year-old columnist and self-described libertarian Republican who has lately been a champion for traditional Republicans concerned about Bush's governance, went on to say: ''This is why George W. Bush is so clear-eyed about Al Qaeda and the Islamic fundamentalist enemy. He believes you have to kill them all. They can't be persuaded, that they're extremists, driven by a dark vision. He understands them, because he's just like them. . ..
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[link|http://www.americanpolitics.com/20041025Weiner.html|http://www.americanp...041025Weiner.html]

If the Democrats lose, the political civil war will take place between those in power who are all too prone to tack to the center and center-right, and those liberal/progressives who are no longer willing to compromise like that, since such a strategy took them to defeat, twice.

In short, there will be wholesale realignments within both major parties, and I would expect a major expansion in popularity of the Greens and other alternative parties -- which might well be attractive to those in the 2004 electorate who are sick and tired of the lesser-of-two-evils option and who could not work up a passion for either candidate.

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[link|http://theedge.bostonherald.com/lifeNews/view.bg?articleid=50840|http://theedge.bosto...g?articleid=50840]

Time stops short of endorsing a candidate, but its cover, ``The Morning After,'' paints a scenario that seems more like an obituary for America's future.

Whoever wins the election, the cover story begins - if there's an early decision at all - won't matter because America is too divided to govern.

The package includes an exclusive on a Pentagon executive who's come forward to blow the whistle, with evidence, that a $7 billion no-bid Iraqi contract was awarded improperly to Halliburton.

The magazine's latest poll also says nearly half of registered voters, or 48 percent, think an illegitimate winner will capture the White House.

Newsweek skips politics on its cover in favor of another big crisis: the lack of flu vaccine and the chance the flu bug could hook up with the often fatal Asian bird-flu virus to create a deadly pandemic this winter.

On the election front, it says Ohio could be the new Florida and has ``the feel of a slow-motion Civil War for the soul of America.''
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That term sure is coming up a lot.



"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them."     --Albert Einstein

Step 1: THINK!
Step 2: VOTE!
New Never ended
Bush represents the old radical social reformers who wanted to subjugate the South, and would hear of no compromise - leading to the war. That is it, in a sentence.

Curiously, the Confederate spirit is alive and well - in the Blue states. It is people with pride and conscience locked horns against crass commercial interests.

-drl
New If we win next Tuesday
..and I think we will - we owe it to the Jersey Girls, those 9/11 widows, without whom there would have been no 9/11 commission and subsequent torrent of truth about the rotten shitbums in this administration.

Read about the "unmaking of Dub" and his wretched criminal gang here:

[link|http://salon.com/opinion/feature/2004/10/27/bush_presidency/index.html|http://salon.com/opi...idency/index.html]
-drl
New Curious
I see things precisely the other way around, with Bush and his party representing the Confederate principle of holding property above human rights. Seems Confederate values means different things to different people.
New Well, you're wrong :)
Remember, the winner gets to write history. It would not be surprising to find large numbers of people with the wrong idea, 140 years later.

The North - that is, Yankee commercial interests - were uncompromising instigators and invaders. The war could have been avoided again and again in the years from 1848 to 1860.
-drl
New Read "Wealth and Democracy."
The leaders of both sides were bastards, and the people payed for their greed.

Of course, that's a vast simplification, and I expect Mr. Sitter to apply his flamethrower (running low on ammo yet?) to me in about three seconds after I hit reply.
All I want for my birthday is a new President!
New Not at all - you're right (or KP is rather)
My heart is with the citizens who died to protect their homes and cities. The Yankee spirit lived on after the war, and the existing Republican worldview is the natural inheritor and expression of the bastardry of those times.
-drl
New Re: Read "Wealth and Democracy."
He stated that, \ufffdMy devotion to the Union of our fathers had been so often and so publicly declared; I had on the floor of the Senate so defiantly challenged any question of my fidelity to it; my services, civil and military, had now extended through so long a period and were so generally known, that I felt quite assured that no whisperings of envy or ill-will could lead the people of Mississippi to believe that I had dishonored their trust by using the power they had conferred on me to destroy the government to which I was accredited. Then, as afterward, I regarded the separation of the States as a great, though not the greater evil.\ufffd"

now read the man's adress in full
[link|http://www.swcivilwar.com/DavisFirstInaug.html|http://www.swcivilwa...isFirstInaug.html]
regards,
daemon
that way too many Iraqis conceived of free society as little more than a mosh pit with grenades. ANDISHEH NOURAEE
     Civil War - (tuberculosis) - (7)
         Never ended - (deSitter) - (6)
             If we win next Tuesday - (deSitter)
             Curious - (tangaroa) - (4)
                 Well, you're wrong :) - (deSitter)
                 Read "Wealth and Democracy." - (inthane-chan) - (2)
                     Not at all - you're right (or KP is rather) - (deSitter)
                     Re: Read "Wealth and Democracy." - (daemon)

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