Post #181,229
10/27/04 3:10:25 PM
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Clueless people and Bush supporters. But I repeat myself
It seems the majority of Bush supporters, according to recent polls, still believe Saddam Hussein had ties to al Qaeda and even to 9/11, and that the United States found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.
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In further unhappy evidence of how ill-informed the American people are (blame the media), the Program on International Policy Attitudes found Bush supporters consistently ill-informed about Bush's stands on the issues (Kerry-ans, by contrast, are overwhelmingly right about his positions). Eighty-seven percent of Bush supporters think he favors putting labor and environmental standards into international trade agreements. Eighty percent of Bush supporters believe Bush wants to participate in the treaty banning landmines. Seventy-six percent of Bush supporters believe Bush wants to participate in the treaty banning nuclear weapons testing. Sixty-two percent believe Bush would participate in the International Criminal Court. Sixty-one percent believe Bush wants to participate in the Kyoto Treaty on global warming. Fifty-three percent does not believe Bush is building a missile defense system, a.k.a. "Star Wars."
The only two Bush stands the majority of his supporters got right were on increasing defense spending and who should write the new Iraqi constitution. [link|http://alternet.org/columnists/story/20303/|Milly Ivins]
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Post #181,253
10/27/04 4:04:45 PM
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Clueless people and Kerry supporters...
It's a given about Bush supporters... But she writes: In further unhappy evidence of how ill-informed the American people are (blame the media), the Program on International Policy Attitudes found Bush supporters consistently ill-informed about Bush's stands on the issues (Kerry-ans, by contrast, are overwhelmingly right about his positions).
Kerry-ans may be overwhelmingly right about his positions, BUT, that doesn't mean that they aren't even more ignorant. See, my friend, you have to assume first that Kerry's positions are of any "informational" value. In other words, just because you have the ability to accurately recite lies, damned lies and exagerations and outright fabrications and dumbass slogans - it makes you no more or less "ill informed" than your average Bush supporter. Right? :-) ... Keep up the faith, Silver! My $.02
Just a few thoughts,
Danno
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Post #181,277
10/27/04 5:24:37 PM
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It wasn't just the positions...
The report (not Ivins' article) covered Bush supporters vs. Kerry supporters on what they thought the 9/11 commission and the Duelfer reports' conclusions were as well. Those aren't campaign slogans.
But, agreed on the point, anyway. I hate politicians.
Regards,
-scott anderson
"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
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Post #181,288
10/27/04 6:57:36 PM
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Hey, wait a minute.
Of course its easier to be correct and informed on Kerry's positions...he takes all sides of every issue.
Or conversely, its impossible to know what Kerry's positions are because he hasn't really taken any.
By the way...
[image|/forums/images/warning.png|0|This is sarcasm...] I shouldn't need this but Mmoffitt and/or Rand may think I'm serious
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
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Post #181,289
10/27/04 7:08:32 PM
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I think something that bites Kerry in the ass a lot...
is that his positions aren't very simple. Something like the defense appropriations bill that Bush has been hammering him over can't be defended in a sound bite, even though his actions at the time made plenty of sense. If the typical North American Potbellied Beersucker could be made to slow down long enough to actually have time to think about their position, that particular issue would be a non-.
Problem is, the world is a complex place, and Bush likes (at least in his campaigning) to make it a very simple one.
All I want for my birthday is a new President!
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Post #181,364
10/28/04 1:58:41 AM
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Re: Hey, wait a minute.
The next time I take you seriously will be the first time I take you seriously.
Seriously.
Cthulhu for President. Why vote for a lesser evil?
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Post #181,371
10/28/04 7:21:11 AM
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Ouch
Stop, it hurts.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
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Post #181,383
10/28/04 9:17:36 AM
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Damn.
You beat me to it. That was precisely what I was going to say.
bcnu, Mikem
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." -Bertrand Russell
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Post #181,386
10/28/04 9:27:24 AM
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Here, this is for you
[link|http://www.drinksmixer.com/drink4072.html|Gin and Bitters recipe].
All you need is the gin. Bitterness has made you .... bitter.
----------------------------------------- How do you convince a Washington Journalist that you're not slapping him in the face?
Tell him you're not.
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Post #181,260
10/27/04 4:27:55 PM
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That's no joke.
At the airport the other day this student pilot got mad enough to almost hit me. He was prattling on about "Hey, they had pictures of an airplane fuselage in Iraq that Al Qaeda used in preparation for their attacks on 9/11. It was even on MSNBC. There were a lot of reasons we went into Iraq."
I couldn't contain myself. I said, "You know, with judgement like that I'd really appreciate it if you'd let me know every single time you're going to fly solo because I sure as hell don't want to be in the air at the same time you are."
bcnu, Mikem
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." -Bertrand Russell
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Post #181,292
10/27/04 7:23:59 PM
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I'd start shopping for gunship hardware
I"m sure you can take him.
"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein
Step 1: THINK! Step 2: VOTE!
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Post #181,384
10/28/04 9:24:29 AM
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Excellent quote in the sig and thanks ;-)
bcnu, Mikem
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." -Bertrand Russell
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