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New the Passion of the Rove
Whatever you may think about the just-concluded series of debates (which will in many cases depend on your existing tropisms), they have had at least one consequence that most rational observers should be able to agree upon, whether they view it with dismay or with glee: the aura of inevitability that is so important to a modern Republican presidential campaign, and which had so many of my co-religionists (who seem to exhibit bipolarity as regularly as their opposite numbers display paranoid delusions of grandeur/persecution) in a funk throughout the latter summer, has been punctured decisively. Bush may prevail in the contest by fair means or foul, but it's unlikely that his camp will recapture the persuasive triumphalism, so bracing to the faithful and so demoralizing to the foe, that Rove had hoped to have hanging over the campaign in its latter weeks. This represents a significant weapon struck from the GOP's grasp, and they cannot be happy to have lost it.

Countless commentators have remarked on Kerry's "presidential" bearing in the debates. This is part consequence merely of being allowed to stand onstage with the All-Highest, but there are two or three other factors in play here: First, what Kerry is not: Rove and his co-enablers in the SCLM aren't big in matters of proportion and restraint. When you undertake a spot of character assassination a scalpel is a more effective weapon than a trowel, but Karl just couldn't help himself, and after a summer of TwitBoatVets the "undecided" segment of the viewing public (whoever the fuck these may be) who had been prepared to see a cringing coward—since he obviously faked those medals—and a commie sympathizer (who smeared Our Brave Boys in Vietnam) must have been left scratching their heads when the liberal/coward/traitor they'd been primed to see didn't appear onstage on the first or on subsequent nights.

Second, what Bush is: C-Plus Augustus does not do well outside of the bubble. Give him a comparatively simple script, and ride herd on him at rehearsals, and he's disciplined enough to master the necessary delivery. In his infrequent press conferences before the thoroughly neutered courtiers of the Washington press corps, it's understood that it's poor form to ask the pResident a tough question, and should one of the Usual Suspects unexpectedly stand upright and frame an inconvenient inquiry (his last ever, since the pRes is advised beforehand as to preterite and elect), Bush will make a firm, courageous choice among his available scripted responses and deliver that, germane or no (with "no child left behind" his script of last resort). There is an insubstantiality about the man ("But even the President of the United States sometimes must have to stand naked") that can only bear passing scrutiny against a meticulously stage-managed backdrop.

Finally, what Kerry is: Whatsisbot (the guy who, alone among the regulars here, cloaks his identity, on the ludicrous ground that the work he is doing on behalf of the War on Terra is so vital to the crusade that scores of Al Qaeda assassins would descend on his peaceful suburban plot of land in South Bumfuck the instant they were vouchsafed a whiff of his whereabouts) will disagree, but I believe that what finally registered during the past three confrontations was the sheer solidity of Kerry and the insubstantiality of Junior. In the April 1971 footage of Going Upriver (on which I hope to have more to say anon), JK is revealed as an extraordinarily gifted, grounded, articulate and self-possessed young man. A certain amount of Senate coral has settled upon him in twenty years, but the outline of a serious, realistic, ethical and capable man is readily descried across the stage from...what? A nervous poseur, shifting affect from one debate to the next according to his handlers' take on the latest focus group. Exactly the rap four years ago on Al Gore.

It ain't over till it's over. of course, and Karl Rove never goes [link|http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200411/green|gently into that good night]. But he's been wounded, and I take heart.

cordially,

[edit: inexplicable spellfart]
Cthulhu for President. Why vote for a lesser evil?
Expand Edited by rcareaga Oct. 14, 2004, 09:31:40 PM EDT
New I must protest!
Although I will be voting the Kerry, it is simply to remark my disdain upon the incumbent. Kerry himself is one of those self assured wasptards who in the manner of Julia Roberts brother who never failed to stink up a movie with his self righteous assholery that upon meeting them in person you hope you dont immediately start punching them in the face.

Does he have the ability to be the president? Why not the current zippy isnt doing that bad except for following excreble advice. Lets not endor Messr. Kerry with attributes he has never possessed or claimed to want to own.

As far as Rove goes, put his soft round belly in his underwear in a ring with the elderly but still meangry coonass Carville he would be singing the song of the wouned pig in 40 seconds or less.

Let us hope that the Neoconns can prove that a compliant Commander in Chief can be removed with dudgeon when their failed 1920 vision of endless war and revolution that should have died in Mexico city with its advocate by Americans who think we ought to speak softly but firmly while we assume the white mans burden.
regards,
daemon
New Re: I must protest!
I welcome your vote, but believe that your disdain is misplaced.

Should you happen to have a high-speed connection, try this:

[link|http://www.thekerrymovie.com/|http://www.thekerrymovie.com/]

If he's a tenth as good at 60 as he was at 27, he'll be a better president than we deserve.

cordially,
Cthulhu for President. Why vote for a lesser evil?
New downloading, will review back
New review
Up to his decision to back the war, can you say Niedermeyer?
back to watching
Okay, "the Vietnamese were fighting a war for national independance." Not in 1970 they wernt, they were fighting a war of ideology, the people of south vietnam were fighting the Americans and the Viet Mihn the average South Vietnamese didnt care for their northern bretheren, had not for centuries. The Americans were considered not so much as occupiers but as Mercenaries that could not be fired.
back to watching
Okay, waste of my time at this point, re-fighting Vietnam does not make Kerry Likeable, I stand by what I have said before, he took fire so he understands what it means to be shot at. This does not make him presidential any more than I am presidential. It reminds me of the Petaists who will stomp a homeless person to death in the rush to admonish a woman wearing a fur coat.
stand by my original post.
regards,
daemon
New Likeable!!
W.T.F. - he merely has to be of average intelligence and not believe that God appointed him to fuck up the planet - on automatic pilot. That can't possibly repair the myriad shit on all levels, no matter what his or anyone's talents.

{sheesh}

'Like' all ya want.. the buds swillin the Budweiser, OK?

I want someone in there smarter than moi - and smarter than *you*, too; your fucking trigger finger seems attached a bit too close to some other organs (I know I know - it's Fun to do 007 stuff, even without the Aston Martin.. but shee-itt)
New My start in this thread was to explain my vote
and a comment on the fact I will be holding my nose while doing so. Rceaga pointed out a link to a movie that was to make me beam with pleasure at how fit for the job the man is. I am merely pointing out that I still think he a twat. However a twat that will releive some of the burdens of the patriot act.
regards,
daemon
New Re: My start in this thread was to explain my vote
A single-issue kinda guy, eh?

So of all the events since hanging chads and roadblocks: that's the Lone fucking 'issue' that would sway you away {With Deep Regret - implicit} from the John Wayne Swagger School of unilateral invasions, (followed by civil chaos here *and* in the country-list targeted for Liberation).

Izzat it, bunky?
New Re: single-issue kinda guy?
I doubt that he is. But, there is a priority to issues and that one is way up on the list. There are no grays to losing basic liberties, it's really black and white.
Alex

In politics, what begins in fear usually ends in folly. -- Samuel Taylor Coleridge, poet (1772-1834)
New I dont have a problem that we invaded Iraq
I have a major problem with how they fucked it up as well as the ongoing mess. Iraq will survive, hopefully the leuts, majors and light birds remember this when they are running the pentagon and refuse numbnuts who propose no sane exit strategy.
regards,
daemon
New Nice link, thx
-drl
New TAFKAB protests
I did not sneer at JG Kerry in action, I knew a few folks on those boats scootching up and down the rivers, speed and firepower saved you ass, no place to hide, Kerry served outstandingly from what I have read and heard.

Now rewind the movie, the time is 1965, place Yale, when America beleived in the war. Picture the youthful John several years before going to war sitting in a seersucker suit, hair combed precisly discussing why he felt he had to serve his country. Look at the presentation, Its Neidermeyer all right. It was not a knock on his later service. Review the film again, stop during the college years and tell me he was not a ringer.

I may sneer but only in the right places,
regards,
daemon
New ROFL!!!!
-drl
New The comprehensive Rove link
evokes that pure digust usually reserved for serial puppy-mutilators and other purveyors of straightforward physical maiming; this is not so much a Himmler or G\ufffdbbels inside - as a Heydrich. 'Course the Sr. Editor could be a dangerous commiepinko, too. Let's ask Cheney if he's legit; maybe see if Maureen Dowd agrees; that'd be safe enough.
This August, I had lunch with Kennedy near his office in Montgomery. I had hoped to discuss how it was that he had beaten one of the savviest political strategists in modern history, and I expected to hear more of the raucous campaign tales that are a staple of Alabama politics. Neither Kennedy nor our meeting was anything like what I had anticipated. A small man, impeccably dressed and well-mannered, Kennedy appeared to derive little satisfaction from having beaten Rove. In fact, he seemed shaken, even ten years later. He quietly explained how Rove's arrival had poisoned the judicial climate by putting politics above matters of law and justice\ufffd"collateral damage," he called it, from the win-at-all-costs attitude that now prevails in judicial races.

He talked about the viciousness of the "slash-and-burn" campaign, and how Rove appealed to the worst elements of human nature. "People vote in Alabama for two reasons," Kennedy told me. "Anger and fear. It's a state that votes against somebody rather than for them. Rove understood how to put his finger right on the trigger point." Kennedy seemed most bothered by the personal nature of the attacks, which, in addition to the usual anti-trial-lawyer litany, had included charges that he was mingling campaign funds with those of a nonprofit children's foundation he was involved with. In the end he eked out a victory by less than one percentage point.

Kennedy leaned forward and said, "After the race my wife, Peggy, was at the supermarket checkout line. She picked up a copy of Reader's Digest and nearly collapsed on her watermelon. She called me and said, 'Sit down. You're not going to believe this.'" Her husband was featured in an article on "America's worst judges." Kennedy attributed this to Rove's attacks.

When his term on the court ended, he chose not to run for re-election. I later learned another reason why. Kennedy had spent years on the bench as a juvenile and family-court judge, during which time he had developed a strong interest in aiding abused children. In the early 1980s he had helped to start the Children's Trust Fund of Alabama, and he later established the Corporate Foundation for Children, a private, nonprofit organization.

. . .

Some of Kennedy's campaign commercials touted his volunteer work, including one that showed him holding hands with children. "We were trying to counter the positives from that ad," a former Rove staffer told me, explaining that some within the See camp initiated a whisper campaign that Kennedy was a pedophile. "It was our standard practice to use the University of Alabama Law School to disseminate whisper-campaign information," the staffer went on. "That was a major device we used for the transmission of this stuff. The students at the law school are from all over the state, and that's one of the ways that Karl got the information out\ufffdhe knew the law students would take it back to their home towns and it would get out." This would create the impression that the lie was in fact common knowledge across the state. "What Rove does," says Joe Perkins, "is try to make something so bad for a family that the candidate will not subject the family to the hardship. Mark is not your typical Alabama macho, beer-drinkin', tobacco-chewin', pickup-drivin' kind of guy. He is a small, well-groomed, well-educated family man, and what they tried to do was make him look like a homosexual pedophile. That was really, really hard to take."
Read the accounts in serial detail and see the absolute premeditation of McCarthy/G\ufffdbbels fabrication, and it's clear from the closing \ufffds - -
But an interesting thing happened as I worked on this piece. Early in the summer, as Bush was struggling, even Rove's allies professed to doubt his ability to control the dynamics of the race in view of an unrelenting stream of bad news from Iraq. Several insisted that he was in over his head\ufffdwith an emphasis that seemed to go deeper than mere professional envy. Yet by August, when attacks by the anti-Kerry group Swift Boat Veterans for Truth were dominating the front pages, such comments had become rarer. Then they died away entirely.

If this year stays true to past form, the campaign will get nastier in the closing weeks, and without anyone's quite registering it, Rove will be right back in his element. He seems to understand\ufffdindeed, to count on\ufffdthe media's unwillingness or inability, whether from squeamishness, laziness, or professional caution, ever to give a full estimate of him or his work. It is ultimately not just Rove's skill but his character that allows him to perform on an entirely different plane. Along with remarkable strategic skills, he has both an understanding of the media's unstated self-limitations and a willingness to fight in territory where conscience forbids most others.

Rove isn't bracing for a close race. He's depending on it.
- - That unless the %vote is decisive, assuredly we'll see a new definition of UGLY, transmitted worldwide. Remember the imported goons, sent down by Daddy's folks - banging on the walls where vote-counting was happening? What improvements have been spawned in 4 years? (Abu Ghraib may well be seen as just one of our minor attributes as a "civilization". Those Iraqis don't know the democracy they are missing!)

I can hardly wait - meanwhile more ethicsfotainment: the current price-gouging on flu vaccine reveals that the Machiavellian spoor is soo.. Now.


Go Giants.
New LRPD! (new thread)
Created as new thread #179404 titled [link|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=179404|LRPD!]
-drl
     the Passion of the Rove - (rcareaga) - (14)
         I must protest! - (daemon) - (11)
             Re: I must protest! - (rcareaga) - (9)
                 downloading, will review back -NT - (daemon) - (6)
                     review - (daemon) - (5)
                         Likeable!! - (Ashton) - (4)
                             My start in this thread was to explain my vote - (daemon) - (3)
                                 Re: My start in this thread was to explain my vote - (Ashton) - (2)
                                     Re: single-issue kinda guy? - (a6l6e6x)
                                     I dont have a problem that we invaded Iraq - (daemon)
                 Nice link, thx -NT - (deSitter)
                 TAFKAB protests - (daemon)
             ROFL!!!! -NT - (deSitter)
         The comprehensive Rove link - (Ashton) - (1)
             LRPD! (new thread) - (deSitter)

She says, "Hey, I really got to leave!" Dang!
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