Jordan suggests coming to terms with Israel

Post #17,936 by marlowe 11/12/01 4:19:44 PM Reply	Jordan suggests coming to terms with Israel [link\|http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,,2001380020-2001390992,00.html\|I wonder if this'll fly] Excerpt: THE Arab world must be prepared to offer a collective guarantee of Israel\ufffds security and integration into the Middle East in return for the setting up of a Palestinian state, King Abdullah of Jordan told The Times yesterday. Under a deal now being discussed by the main international parties, this would offer Israel for the first time a guarantee of its own existence and security by all countries from the Gulf to Morocco. According to the plan, \ufffdthe Arab countries will make a statement guaranteeing the security of Israel\ufffd, he said. This was part of what he called the \ufffdtwo-basket approach\ufffd agreed by the \ufffdteam\ufffd of the main parties, including the United States, Russia, the European Union, the United Nations, Egypt and Jordan. It would mark an unprecedented public acceptance by all Arab states not only of Israel\ufffds existence but of its full integration within the Middle East. The King is understood to have canvassed the idea in the Gulf states, Saudi Arabia and several North African states. But the biggest barrier remains Syria, and those countries such as Iraq and Libya that have taken a consistently militant approach. [link\|http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/index.html\|http://www.angelfir...e/index.html] Sometimes "tolerance" is just a word for not dealing with things.
Post #17,945 by gtall 11/12/01 6:22:50 PM Reply	Re: Jordan suggests coming to terms with Israel I think if Syria got the Golan Heights (or most it) back, they might agree. They aren't really in a strong position to disagree. If they agree, the hell with Libya, Iran, Iraq, etc. Iran's head sub-honcho made some statement to the effect that if the Palestinians accepted Israel, they would abide by that decision. Of course this was only said by the sub-honcho, the head MF What's In Charge probably has a different opinion....at least as long as he can keep from being lynched by pissed off Iranian teenagers. I think bin Laden has those Arab regimes spooked. They know he's more popular than they are. They have no reason for being, most of them. They won't accept democracy because then they (the people populating the regimes) would have to accept mercurial employment in the public sector instead of an assured income from graft. They have little private enterprise, at least they only allow small businesses not to be subject to baksheesh (I'm not certain about that, someone always seems to need paying off over there). King Abdullah has the biggest balls over there, the U.S. should support the idea. Gerard Allwein
Post #17,963 by wharris2 11/12/01 8:07:38 PM Reply	Didn't they try that ten years ago? The Israelis have been giving territory back, but there are those (Arafat and various brainwashed minions included) who keep spouting "drive Israel into the sea". Sigh. It's a good plan, but fat chance (IMO) given the past thirty years or so. "Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not tried it." -- Donald Knuth
Post #18,001 by boxley 11/13/01 12:26:52 AM Reply	very simple solution the new found state of pal usttabe Jordan, Israel sez settlements outside 67 on yer own, heavily armed of course, the rest is Jordan the original landholders, step back and wait. As the rest of the arab world gets ready to attack with all means, Jordan will have to defend Israel to protecty being taken over by Syria. simple but deadly sbd bill tshirt front "born to die before I get old" thshirt back "fscked another one didnja?"
Post #18,010 by bluke 11/13/01 3:57:19 AM Reply	Sounds great in theory ... but first the Arab countries need to make sure that their people have come to terms with this. If we look at countries like Egypt, the official press is vehemently anti-semitic (and anti-American), until that changes there will be no real peace. I believe that many of the Arab leaders in the Middle East (King Abdullah may be an exception as Jordan has always been a freer country then most of the others in the region) don't really want to end the conflict for a very simple reason. If the conflict with Israel ends they will have no bogey man to blame for their problems. If there really was peace, people in Egypt, Syria, etc., would start to wonder, why is it that Israel a country of 6 million people has a Western standard of living, a bigger GDP, a free press, a democratic government, etc., while we are stuck in the dark ages of dictatorships, etc.? How will Bashar Assad justify martial law or the fact that there are no banks in Syria, no free press no internet, etc.? How will Mubarak justify being President for life when the Egyptian economy has gone nowhere under his reign? This is a very scary thought for the leaders of these places. This is exactly why, when push came to shove Mubarak and others told Arafat to reject the deal at Camp David, because they want to play both sides, on one hand they offically support the US and the peace process, and therefore receive alot of US aid, on the other hand domestically they put out an anti-Israel, anti-American message.

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